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    How to rig long hose twin set regs

    Ok guys I realise its not Friday & I'm not looking to start a ruck.

    I've just replaced my twin set regs (the first & 2nd stages I used on my main & pony cylinder) with something designed for the job.

    Its the Apex tek 3 twin set package.
    A TEK SET is also available which comprises 2 x TEK3 1st stages, 2 x XTX50 2nd stages, 1 x 2.1 mtr hose and 1 x 1 mtr hose, and a regulator necklace.
    http://www.apeks.co.uk/products/prod...p?Product=TEK3

    Now the question. Has anyone got a picture or any advice how best to rig the regs & I've never dived the long hose route way before.

    I realise my old kit set up worked fine, but decided I'd had enough swapping hoses & blanking plugs for each set up.

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    are you planning to primary donate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    Ok guys I realise its not Friday & I'm not looking to start a ruck.

    I've just replaced my twin set regs (the first & 2nd stages I used on my main & pony cylinder) with something designed for the job.

    Its the Apex tek 3 twin set package.
    A TEK SET is also available which comprises 2 x TEK3 1st stages, 2 x XTX50 2nd stages, 1 x 2.1 mtr hose and 1 x 1 mtr hose, and a regulator necklace.
    http://www.apeks.co.uk/products/prod...p?Product=TEK3

    Now the question. Has anyone got a picture or any advice how best to rig the regs & I've never dived the long hose route way before.

    I realise my old kit set up worked fine, but decided I'd had enough swapping hoses & blanking plugs for each set up.

    Remember its not just about rigging it, its being able to use it


    If you dive all tanks left then its simple enough to mount your torch canister on the right hip on the waste belt and run the long hose under the light can over your left sholder and arround your neck into your mouth


    The back up reg is on a bungee arround your neck

    The important bit is lerning to donate in this way without getting in a mess, ripping the reg out of your OOA buddies mouth, ripping your own mask off, or tangling with your umbilical torch

    Do lots of practice before you dive it thinking its safe and if you cant figure it out for your self then get somone like Garf to teach you on one of his one day events.


    If like me you dive deco tanks left and right, it becomes slightly more complicated. Personaly I would tuck the long hose in my belt but it can fall out which is anoying. There are various ways of stuffing a long hose but most are out of fashion thease days dispite the fact they work just fine.

    TDIs way


    My old way (long hose stuffed in bungee loops on my wing




    ATB

    Mark
    Last edited by Mark Chase; 06-03-2014 at 03:31 PM.

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    I'd echo what the others have said above. If you're going to use the long hose for primary donation, get someone to show you how to do it correctly.

    IMHO, the 'DIR/GUE' configuration of regs & hoses has become pretty standard across various OC technical agencies and there isn't really any reason to go for something different unless you have a good reason to (like a BSAC course!). There is some supporting logic to the location of each hose. Other configurations are possible.

    (For clarity, the right post/valve is the one you can reach with your right hand. It's the one on the left of this photo)



    The right post is your primary regulator. It feeds your primary long hose and your wing inflate.

    Logic for primary this side : If you are donating to a diver swimming in front of you, the post won't roll shut when it rubs on an overhead, leaving them with no gas stuck in a restricted space.
    Logic for wing inflate this side : You are very unlikely to jump off a boat with you primary reg turned off, therefore you always have a working wing inflate when you jump in the sea. Also, the hose is effectively long enough to reach your suit inflate if you need it to. Good idea to have the same fitting on both.


    The left post is your backup regulator. It feeds your necklace-mounted backup regulator & suit inflate. Your SPG is on this side too. There is a neat way to route the backup reg hose beneath the corruagted hose, reducing strain on the hose. See pic above.

    Logic for backup : It's on a different side to your primary, and is the whole point of redundancy.
    Logic for drysuit inflate : It's on a different side to your wing buoyancy and can be interchanged with your wing inflate (or use oral inflate). It also maintains side when you switch to a suit inflate bottle.
    Logic for SPG : It's more useful as a diagnostic tool on this side. If your isolator is closed the gauge will not move during a normal dive. Clue to check the isolator.


    Steve

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    Cheers guys, as with any changes to my kit set up it will involve several hours of bottom time in the local quarries before I'm happy to risk it in the sea.

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    Follow this for configuration:
    http://dir-diver.com/en/equipment/re...g_doubles.html

    Get some to show you how to use them. Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Clark View Post
    I'd echo what the others have said above. If you're going to use the long hose for primary donation, get someone to show you how to do it correctly.

    IMHO, the 'DIR/GUE' configuration of regs & hoses has become pretty standard across various OC technical agencies and there isn't really any reason to go for something different unless you have a good reason to (like a BSAC course!).
    Sorry, thought you said a good reason...?
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    I am always amused and bemused about the fact people consider primary donate/Hog loop to be so difficult that instruction is required...

    Don't trap the long hose under anything, donb't try to breathe when it is out of your mouth...

    Done...

    The link in Wilbos post is the most straight forward rigging guide I ever found, follow it to the letter, it is clean and simple...

    The big advantage of the Tec 3 is that all the hoses will route down, they do what they were designed for very well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTS View Post
    I am always amused and bemused about the fact people consider primary donate/Hog loop to be so difficult that instruction is required...

    Don't trap the long hose under anything, donb't try to breathe when it is out of your mouth...

    Done...

    The link in Wilbos post is the most straight forward rigging guide I ever found, follow it to the letter, it is clean and simple...

    The big advantage of the Tec 3 is that all the hoses will route down, they do what they were designed for very well...
    Maybe I am a biff but I needed some good instruction and lots of practice to be slick with OOG drills - I guess the operative word is 'slick' while maintaining a solid platform....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SonicStomp View Post
    Maybe I am a biff but I needed some good instruction and lots of practice to be slick with OOG drills - I guess the operative word is 'slick' while maintaining a solid platform....
    With HL/PD the tricky part is not snagging the hose on snorkle and dislodging the mask


 
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