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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesp View Post
    So my bench mark for stupid is "less than me".Turns out there are actually quite a few deciles below me.
    You don't strike me as being stupid - your posts show intelligence and forethought. I know the same feeling though and it takes a lot of personal effort to overcome. I too find myself stunned by the number of people who don't even reach my benchmark!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesp View Post
    I`ve spent most of my life being told anyone who isn`t me is intellectually superior/ higher skilled/ better.
    I am very used to being the least educated person in a room.

    So my bench mark for stupid is "less than me".

    Turns out there are actually quite a few deciles below me.
    A person can be quite intelligent but uneducated and lacking in knowledge. The converse is true. General knowledge is useful for the pub quiz and specific knowledge is good for tasks. Ergo a person will have knowledge for their job but probably not about other things in general. Notdeadyet and I share an ignorance for soccer that is perhaps unusual in men of the UK

    My life experience suggests to me that many people are intellectually lazy rather than stupid per se. They don't bother to think much about stuff and don't bother much to learn things that they feel are not relevent to them. Sometimes people like that will surprise you with some specialist knowledge or understanding about something that really interests them (like say ice hockey or pigeon racing).

    So my benchmark for stupid is "self harming through lazy willful ignorance". (Quite a lot it turns out, I agree several deciles...)
    We give £350m a week to the EU. Let's give it to Dido Harding instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post



    Notdeadyet and I share an ignorance for soccer that is perhaps unusual in men of the UK


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    Not as unusual as you might think

    I know that Wembley Stadium is a football arena as well as a concert venue in London but have no idea specifically where or what it looks like.

    I doubt if I could name any members of the England team nor the manager. Same applies to my local team - not even sure which division they are in.

    The only things I know about current football are that at the top level the players are staggeringly overpaid and that based upon the comments from, and interviews with, players that Iíve heard ( admittedly a small sample) there appears to be an inversely proportional relationship between the ability to kick a bladder of air around with any degree of control and intelligence*

    * or at least the ability to construct and deliver a coherent sentence.


    Years ago I apparently stunned a multinational supplier account manager when I declined the offer of all expenses paid tickets and trip for the football World Cup in South Africa for me and Mrs John63

    Him- got this great deal for you as thanks for all the business. World Cup tickets and all accommodation for a weeks trip

    Me- thanks for the offer but no thanks

    Him - stunned silence, then, but but but itís the World Cup

    Me - football ?

    Him - yes

    Me - sorry, no interest at all in football.


    The conversation went on a little longer in the same vein as he just could not believe that I was serious in my disinterest.
    Last edited by John63; 16-07-2022 at 10:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John63 View Post
    Not as unusual as you might think

    I know that Wembley Stadium is a football arena as well as a concert venue in London but have no idea specifically where or what it looks like.

    I doubt if I could name any members of the England team nor the manager. Same applies to my local team - not even sure which division they are in.

    The only things I know about current football are that at the top level the players are staggeringly overpaid and that based upon the comments from, and interviews with, players that I’ve heard ( admittedly a small sample) there appears to be an inversely proportional relationship between the ability to kick a bladder of air around with any degree of control and intelligence*

    * or at least the ability to construct and deliver a coherent sentence.


    Years ago I apparently stunned a multinational supplier account manager when I declined the offer of all expenses paid tickets and trip for the football World Cup in South Africa for me and Mrs John63

    Him- got this great deal for you as thanks for all the business. World Cup tickets and all accommodation for a weeks trip

    Me- thanks for the offer but no thanks

    Him - stunned silence, then, but but but it’s the World Cup

    Me - football ?

    Him - yes

    Me - sorry, no interest at all in football.


    The conversation went on a little longer in the same vein as he just could not believe that I was serious in my disinterest.
    I was once asked why I did not sponsor the local football club, this is back in the days when the actually were a League side and before Deadpool moved in.

    I replied " I have parts in world motorsport championship winning vehicles, and my name isn`t on them; why would I sponsor a club that always loses?".
    I also gave the same reply to the clubs commercial manager when they tried tapping me up.

    Marketing locally appears to be beer and football.

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    Overpaid lawn fairies, the lot of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noggin the Nog View Post
    Overpaid lawn fairies, the lot of them.
    When I was a kid, footballers weren't paid much more than an average wage and only got paid during the season. Newcastle United's star plaver in the 1950's was called Jackie Milburn - known as Wor Jackie. He used to run a small coach company of about three buses during the summer and I went on coaches driven by him a number of times. He was a really nice guy and would often have a kcik around with the kids when we reached our destination. Can you imagine premier league players doing something like that these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allan Carr View Post
    When I was a kid, footballers weren't paid much more than an average wage and only got paid during the season. Newcastle United's star plaver in the 1950's was called Jackie Milburn - known as Wor Jackie. He used to run a small coach company of about three buses during the summer and I went on coaches driven by him a number of times. He was a really nice guy and would often have a kcik around with the kids when we reached our destination. Can you imagine premier league players doing something like that these days?
    Nope, they want a vast fortune just to sit on the bench for 90 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    A person can be quite intelligent but uneducated and lacking in knowledge. The converse is true. General knowledge is useful for the pub quiz and specific knowledge is good for tasks. Ergo a person will have knowledge for their job but probably not about other things in general.
    You can measure knowledge easily, it's just picking the right "fact" out of a list. I think that's why the Daily Express types love that kind of education system. All you need is a lot of kids with a decent short term memory to look like it's working. Being able to think and explain why is harder to judge. And subjects where that's important are getting demonised out of existence. STEM is valuable but so is being able to figure out what something means. When I did maths at school I couldn't give a toss about it until they introduced proofs. The minute it became about figuring out why something is what it is was when I understood its value. That changed the way I think right to this day, it's one of the best lessons I've ever had.

    I absolutely hate programmes like QI and people that love to say "did you know that...". We seem obsessed with having brains that are just buckets of facts. As soon as I see "pub quiz" I find somewhere else to go.

    Notdeadyet and I share an ignorance for soccer that is perhaps unusual in men of the UK
    I don't think I've ever watched a football match in my life. I could not tell you a current player or manager's name. It's a sport I really don't get the appeal of. So you just kick it? That's it? It's like boxing, it doesn't make sense. So you're in a fight with your opponent and you're not going to use everything you have available?

    But I also don't have the mindset for team sports. I can make myself like rugby because I respect the effort that goes into it and the risk involved which I struggle to see in football. But it's still rare that I'd actually watch a game. Even the sports I do I don't really enjoy watching. I can't watch a 2hr film in one sitting without getting bored, I'm sure as hell not going to be able to watch millionaires kick a ball round a field.

    At least it isn't dressage. I don't think I've ever sat through an event that made me consider suicide as a viable alternative to waiting for the end like that did. It really is the most boring sport on the planet.
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    A certain amount of knowledge is still essential even when you have the internet to look things up. 7 or 8 years ago at my grandson's school I attended one of their STEM lectures. Every year they had a different keynote speaker, well-known names like Lord Robert Winston.

    One year it was Dame Professor Susan Greenfield who at the time was president of the Royal Society. Her lecture covered neurological development and the impact of technology. Her researchers had been measuring things like attention span and brain development. They had found that with so much focus on screen-based communication, kids were losing the ability to read expressions and other non-verbal cues. MRI scans has also shown that deveopment of the pre-frontal cortex in teenagers was less than in previous generations. The very short attention span was attributed to the focus on computer games which provide instant feedback. Lacking this, many kids found it difficult to maintain concentration.

    As to knowledge, she raised the issue that if you didn't know what you were looking for, it was very difficult to know if you had the right answer when searching the internet. She used the example of the word 'honour' and brought up 15 different meanings.

    A very thought provoking- and disturbing lecture.


 

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