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    Quote Originally Posted by 1906johns View Post
    Thanks for that information about the problems you've found with the cyklones. That's very interesting to hear, as a very good friend of mine swears by them and completely
    Most people will defend the quality of their own kit.

    I might have got this bit wrong

    Also, their design is different to Apeks, Scubapro etc meaning they can fail shut.
    That applies to the Jetstreams.

    But generally, it's accepted that Scubapro and Apeks are a much better choice in terms of initial cost, servicing and reliability.

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    have you experienced a lot of freeflow problems with the cyklones ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1906johns View Post
    thanks for that, How important are shoulder breaks on a harness ?
    They're not.

    Spend a little time with someone who knows what they are doing and a one-piece harness can be set up for anyone with normal anatomy (accepting that some people have had significant previous injuries which limit movement...then again, this is more likely to cause problems with reaching twinset valves than getting out of an OPH).

    However some feel that a shoulder break is a useful addition for divers doing small-boat diving, where they need to be able to get out of the set in the water. Someone on here (possibly Woz?) has some sort of system involving an extra pair of D-rings and a double-ender to create a shoulder break which is "unbreakable" until the diver chooses to open it. "Purists" don't seem to have a problem without the shoulder break...but that probably comes down to having spent the time tweaking the harness so that it's just right.

    I do relatively little diving which involves de-kitting in-water, which might skew my perspective. However, my perspective was also skewed by seeing someone's shoulder break fail as they boarded a boat and coming damn close to falling between boat and pier.

    Iain

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1906johns View Post
    have you experienced a lot of freeflow problems with the cyklones ?
    One. But it's not uncommon for them to hiss when first pressured up. The second stage can be a PITA if you don't dive them.

    Seriously, just get Apeks :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Thomas View Post
    One. But it's not uncommon for them to hiss when first pressured up. The second stage can be a PITA if you don't dive them.

    Seriously, just get Apeks :-)
    +1

    Scubapro/Halcyon are lighter and route a little better. However, there's a significant price tag attached.

    Go for DS4 first stages and ATX50 seconds. These are good (in my personal experience) for single tank recreational through to trimix cave diving.

    If you really, really, don't like the DS4/ATX50 combo you will have no difficulty selling them on.

    I have 10 DS4/(A)TX50 sets which I dive, rinse, allow to drip dry, then throw in the box until next time. Occasionally, I strip and rebuild them. I know others who have had Apeks which they've dived for 10 years without servicing...

    Iain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain Smith View Post
    I have 10 DS4/(A)TX50 sets which I dive, rinse, allow to drip dry, then throw in the box until next time. Occasionally, I strip and rebuild them. I know others who have had Apeks which they've dived for 10 years without servicing...

    Iain
    You can just 'dive, then throw in the box until next time' with the Apeks, just don't try the same with the Poseidon!!

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    thanks for the input gentlemen, you've certainly given me food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain Smith View Post
    I know others who have had Apeks which they've dived for 10 years without servicing...

    Iain
    I was hanging at 6m the other day and noticed the 'service by' date on the DST stage reg I was breathing off was October 2007.......

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    I've merged these two threads, as they are both asking the same question..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Thomas View Post
    You can just 'dive, then throw in the box until next time' with the Apeks, just don't try the same with the Poseidon!!
    Strange, I used to!

    But then again, I didn't need 10 sets of regs for doing 70m diving
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