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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    It is quite possible that an employee injured whilst arsing about would have sued on the basis they had not been trained to use the tool. To stop such nonsense the company introduce a training system. One of my staff got a fair pay out from my insurers as he had "not been trained" to use a weigh scale.

    Most of the urban myths about health and safety are actually the bullshit from insurance claims. It is (I believe) worse in the US.
    Do you have “contents may be hot” on the coffee cups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkA View Post
    Do you have “contents may be hot” on the coffee cups?
    No, but I have "May contain nuts." tattooed on my scrotum, just in case.
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    Objects in the rear view mirror are actually behind you.
    We give 350m a week to the EU. Let's give it to Dido Harding instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    It is quite possible that an employee injured whilst arsing about would have sued on the basis they had not been trained to use the tool. To stop such nonsense the company introduce a training system. One of my staff got a fair pay out from my insurers as he had "not been trained" to use a weigh scale.

    Most of the urban myths about health and safety are actually the bullshit from insurance claims. It is (I believe) worse in the US.
    We got sued (for the first time ever) two years ago next September.
    Agency worker managed to cut their ring finger, through a brand new pair of rigger gloves.

    I watched my Father get cross examined in court for 2 hours 45 minutes, (the insurance decided they were defending), where he was told he was "cavalier with safety" and had given no consideration to risk.
    Claimant admitted that he had actually been told not to do what they had done.
    District judge threw the claim out.
    Barrister then asked for right to appeal on the grounds that she(the judge) was wrong; judge slapped him down (which was very funny, to me anyway) and dismissed the right to appeal.

    Our business employers liability premium doubled.

    I do not employ agency staff, ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelemonkey View Post
    When I did a short stint as a yard foreman with a scaffolding company, I had to do a training course on how to use a saw. Not a chainsaw, not a power saw, but a bog standard hand held rip saw! I still have the certificate somewhere.
    The day after getting my chainsaw qualifications, I handed my certificates over, only to be told I couldn't use the saw until I'd done their competency course, basically an observed tree felling by two staff. They cut first and both managed to get their saws stuck in the trees. Then they had to observe me 🙄
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesp View Post
    We got sued (for the first time ever) two years ago next September.
    Agency worker managed to cut their ring finger, through a brand new pair of rigger gloves.

    I watched my Father get cross examined in court for 2 hours 45 minutes, (the insurance decided they were defending), where he was told he was "cavalier with safety" and had given no consideration to risk.
    Claimant admitted that he had actually been told not to do what they had done.
    District judge threw the claim out.
    Barrister then asked for right to appeal on the grounds that she(the judge) was wrong; judge slapped him down (which was very funny, to me anyway) and dismissed the right to appeal.

    Our business employers liability premium doubled.

    I do not employ agency staff, ever.
    Sadly the UK workforce has a similar percentage of idiots as the general populace. We have used agency staff in the past and found them to be as varied as any other group of people. Some are like your example, some are good (mostly the East Europeans) and some just arse about and fail to achieve anything for the business. The problem seems to me to be the actual agency(ies) where the temps controller has a shortfall of bodies to client requirements. My experience of temp agencies (having worked for one and temped for several in my youth) is they tend to be staffed by arseholes.

    Letting agents also seem to drink from the same pool.
    We give 350m a week to the EU. Let's give it to Dido Harding instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    Sadly the UK workforce has a similar percentage of idiots as the general populace. We have used agency staff in the past and found them to be as varied as any other group of people. Some are like your example, some are good (mostly the East Europeans) and some just arse about and fail to achieve anything for the business. The problem seems to me to be the actual agency(ies) where the temps controller has a shortfall of bodies to client requirements. My experience of temp agencies (having worked for one and temped for several in my youth) is they tend to be staffed by arseholes.

    Letting agents also seem to drink from the same pool.
    I never had a staff job until the 2008 recession. It's very dependent on what you do. I'm lucky that a large part of my job involves stopping very old blowy-up things going bang and wiping out lots of people so it tends to self-select for competency. Contract staff are usually really good or they wouldn't be able to make a living and it's such a small pool of people that the same faces appear on every project. Tends to be the same in anything specialist. It always annoys me seeing "bloody contractors" because it's been an uphill battle to get them accepted in the kind of work I do. In a lot of cases, full-time staff can be lazy and complacent and want to spend more energy avoiding work than it would take to do it in the first place.

    Agents are scum, though. I don't have a good word to say for any that I've worked with over the years.
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    A painting subcontractor that we used regularly with a previous firm was sued by a painter of approx 30 years experience for failure to train them on how to use a stepladder. He had fallen off the ladder while working and suffered a bad landing which caused nerve issues. The lawsuit was successful.

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    https://www.eastern-ifca.gov.uk/wp-c...r_Response.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neilwood View Post
    A painting subcontractor that we used regularly with a previous firm was sued by a painter of approx 30 years experience for failure to train them on how to use a stepladder. He had fallen off the ladder while working and suffered a bad landing which caused nerve issues. The lawsuit was successful.
    I can't imagine that the 'tickbox' internal training that I saw (boat training with no water, ladder training with no .... yeah, that) would stand up in court.
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