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    Quote Originally Posted by Wibs View Post
    Hope you do have a successful bailout -- should you need it. Crap happens with rebreathers. Bailouts are sometimes necessary, even if its just for sanity breaths and back on the loop.

    Bailing out is a good thing. Something you should practice on every dive.
    Better to bail out and be wrong than stay on the loop and be wrong. Spunking a tin of air now and again on bailing at the end of an inconsequential dive for a bit of practice is no bad thing. Bailout shouldn't be something to be nervous of. If it is you probably need more bailout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeiom View Post
    I should of mentined - ive only been a ccr diver for about 3 months including training so have next to no experiance at all minuis classroom and 20hrs on the unit.

    youve defilntly had your fare share of oh shit

    Dont know how cold the water is at the moment but another resion for water in the loop (aside from condensation) was loose lips on the mouthpiece and looking hard left and hard right causing gaps at the edge of the mouthpiece.

    The only downside with a BOV is they can be heavy and cause lip / jaw fatigue.

    I switched to a moldable full mouth mouthpiece so I could grip it better with my teeth and still not restrict breathing. took a bit of getting used to but it worked well for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Chase View Post
    The only downside with a BOV is they can be heavy and cause lip / jaw fatigue.
    Not elegant but the original AP 'mouthpiece retaining strap' (AKA mask strap with two o-rings) takes the weight and removes the jaw fatigue.

    As said before, there also a downside to complete reliance on a BOV...
    Quote Originally Posted by dwhitlow View Post
    The other time was when a stiff mouthpiece (due to lack of love) caused the captured o-ring in the Inspo loop to lift out of it's place, leaving no way to seal the loop! Thankfully this was shallow and we soon surfaced. That event did make me reluctant to embrace the BOV and off-board mindset, and stick with independent bailout. Having not bailed out by necessity in over a decade I wonder why I carry so many bottles.... and yet I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Chase View Post
    Dont know how cold the water is at the moment but another resion for water in the loop (aside from condensation) was loose lips on the mouthpiece and looking hard left and hard right causing gaps at the edge of the mouthpiece.

    The only downside with a BOV is they can be heavy and cause lip / jaw fatigue.

    I switched to a moldable full mouth mouthpiece so I could grip it better with my teeth and still not restrict breathing. took a bit of getting used to but it worked well for me.
    Alternatively a bit of time faffing with loop length and hose weights and you can completely eliminate jaw fatigue. I can hold the AP BOV in my mouth without even biting down on the tabs- lip pressure alone is enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwhitlow View Post
    Not elegant but the original AP 'mouthpiece retaining strap' (AKA mask strap with two o-rings) takes the weight and removes the jaw fatigue
    Didn't work for me. I found the AP gag strap more uncomfortable than the problem it was supposed to solve. Plus the number of times I smacked myself in the nose with the BOV. I didn't think it was a particularly well thought out bit of kit but I know some people loved them. Maybe it works better with the AP BOV than the Golem. I had a go with the Draeger one a few years back and that was much better but 100'ish was a lot to justify. The original Golem that Ive got weighs a ton so maybe it's time to update it to something smaller.

    The Manta Bite was a cheap alternative, it had a rubber flange that sat between your teeth and lips and formed a seal so you could keep your jaw/lips slack and not let water in. Great idea but jesus christ it shredded your mouth to ribbons until you got the barrier cut perfectly to shape. I had a look on their website and it doesn't seem to be made any more.
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    I've used the Draeger version from day 1 and it's been fine, either over a hood in ow or helmet in ohe.

    That said I've never had the bollocks to dive without a gag strap or a bov.
    Last edited by JonG; 10-05-2023 at 04:20 PM.

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    I've got one of these https://www.underseatools.com/collec...ning-strap-mrs which cost about 50 USD posted. It uses the mouthpiece that comes with your dsv/bov. TBH it feels just as good as the draeger and I actually find it a bit easier to find the ends of the straps to tighten it than with the draeger.

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    For AP the new version gag strap is pretty good

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwhitlow View Post
    As said before, there also a downside to complete reliance on a BOV...
    Who is completely relying on a BOV? Is everyone else taking the second stages off their bail out regs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinimalMayhem View Post
    I've got one of these https://www.underseatools.com/collec...ning-strap-mrs which cost about 50 USD posted. It uses the mouthpiece that comes with your dsv/bov. TBH it feels just as good as the draeger and I actually find it a bit easier to find the ends of the straps to tighten it than with the draeger.
    More like what they should cost than the hundred quid draeger!
    Can you get them in UK do you know?


 
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