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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesp View Post
    Shoot me down on this, but do you really want countries that have yet to master running water or sewers; or even education for women, running something like a nuclear power station?

    Baby and hand grenade springs to mind.
    No, not really - so perhaps the alternatives to nuclear need to explored. Quickly.

    The thing is for a “global nation” like the UK we could leap ahead in fields like geothermal - very good for base load - ahead of the rest of the world. but we don’t because the government just pay lip service to science and engineering unless it is there to be blamed as Johnson did at the height of the pandemic - “we are following the science” translates to “we will blame the early stage emerging scientific knowledge if we screws things up” - it was setting science up for a fall, forgetting that science also said “don’t party at a place of work, tossers”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesp View Post
    Shoot me down on this, but do you really want countries that have yet to master running water or sewers; or even education for women, running something like a nuclear power station?

    Baby and hand grenade springs to mind.
    While power generation of that sort might not be suitable for the reasons you state, distribution of cheaper electricity (generated elsewhere by "green" methods) via a large continental grid might be a better solution.

    At some point the human race has to wake up, realise we only have one planet and act in the interests of the entire planet and not just the minorities in the first world countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay_Benson View Post
    Aren’t these the installations costs rather than the running costs so ignore the cost of the fuel, cleaning up etc. In the case of wind and solar the “fuel” is free issue.
    Cleaning up nuclear isn't what people think it is. Most people seem to have this idea that everything inside the front gate is minging. It isn't, very much not. Plants are designed so that the active areas are the absolute bare minimum and the ability to safely decontaminate is built in from the start. To be fair, that wasn't the case in the past (for a whole host of reasons) and that's why some plants have been a multi-decade job to decommission and still going. Decommissioning and decontamination are essential parts of the design of a modern nuclear facility and most people are surprised how little of a site is actually radiologically active when they see it.

    The big problem is the processing of active waste after decommissioning, that has to go somewhere for treatment. storage or disposal. If you don't have that then that's a major cost. We do have that, the processing facilities are already built as a result of other decommissioning work so it's a sunk cost. There would be repurposing costs associated with new technology but the major investment is already spent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesp View Post
    Shoot me down on this, but do you really want countries that have yet to master running water or sewers; or even education for women, running something like a nuclear power station?

    Baby and hand grenade springs to mind.
    Not just them. What about the ones that have not factored in sea level increase. France and the UK just for starters
    We give 350m a week to the EU. Let's give it to Dido Harding instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    France and the UK just for starters
    What makes you think they haven't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neilwood View Post
    While power generation of that sort might not be suitable for the reasons you state, distribution of cheaper electricity (generated elsewhere by "green" methods) via a large continental grid might be a better solution.

    At some point the human race has to wake up, realise we only have one planet and act in the interests of the entire planet and not just the minorities in the first world countries.
    "grid" is one step behind nuclear in complexity, look how well the yanks manage with a continental grid.

    Off grid local solar/battery storage would be a shoe in for rural use.
    More complicated than an AK47 though.


 
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