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    Quote Originally Posted by graham_hk View Post
    *You're ... as in You're a bell end.

    Really, if you're going to pick somebody up, for a joke you don't get, and then call them anal you should try harder to get your posts correct.

    Your worth to this forum is about as good as your grammar!
    My worth to the forum you can count on each and every post I made on topic accurate and informative

    You on the other hand are yet to address anything even close to the subject matter of this post save hounding me like some yapping pup
    Your still angry with your girlfrend I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iain/hsm View Post
    They all do its part of the CE requirement. All 0-ring materials seals and gaskets used in the manufacture of regulators have a recorded date of manufacture and a maximum self life.
    You just don't get to see it because you dont ask and its not in the suppliers or the (LDS) interest to tell you.

    That way it allows both manufacturers and retailers to "palm off" old seals and soft goods such as gaskets and polyurethane HP seats with only a short shelf life left to the public in those service kits you do manage to get under the counter. Hence my request for them to play fair and disclose the cure date.

    By Apex Marine et al not doing this it covers two extra "requirements" from both the manufacturer/supplier and the retailer that is against the interests of the self service diver. First it makes the end user service kits under achieve maximum potential performance and second it gets rid of any old stock lying around.

    Now please realize that despite what those "in the trade" posers tell you old seals and polymers can be up to 10 years old by the time you get them "New"

    Look I know Apeks Marine as others dont like this information being made public but more will follow and maybe more than they would like if i'm pushed to disclose.

    But the information of soft goods regardless of material Nitrile Viton FKM or even Apex Marine's EPDM all have a recognised maximum shelf life.
    When Apex Marine but 0-rings they buy in bulk and the supplier supplies with the goods a cure date (DOM) a batch numbers and a compound number. This information is recorded.

    Our issue as divers is that we dont get palmed off with 10 year old "washers" when we finally do get spares kits off the shelf from our local dive shops and we get them at a transparant recognized retail re sale retail price.

    Now I am aware of the alternative fight back thats being put in place to counteract divers getting spares more on that later.

    But the bottom line is everything soft and rubbery fails over time, knowing how old it is before you buy it is key. Hope that answered your question
    If you have more questions dont hesitate to ask its a free forum and information on this aspect of parts supply needs to be shared.
    Is thier stock turnover really that slow? I can't believe they buy standard o rings that infrequently to end up with 10+ year old parts. Bulk purchase savings wouldn't be enough to make that worthwhile. Bespoke seats etc, possibly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanny View Post
    Quiet day buddy?! As I said in my original post, I am very particular in not being personally sponsored so I can be absolutely honest when recommending equipment to students. Apeks have supported the Cave Camp event (which I run) in the past, providing draw prizes, some nice things for the campers' goody bags, and funding one of the social events. Totally transparent, not shady, and I reserve the right to be 100% honest in my advice on any equipment decisions made by my students.
    Hi Lanny.

    I know It's one thing accepting Apeks Marine free gifts then handing them out as a couple of freebe dive bags made in Vietnam for free to those mad enough to pay money to learn how to jam themselves up solid in a cave, in Mexico and then die. But its quite another not having a published retail price of the parts in question on this thread.

    Maybe next year they will send you a couple more hot pants, in "cargo black" to go with your Tech Cave Dive Team Tee shirts for students if you keep up this act of fanboy number one, for them and for more free stuff, To go along with those really cheap spares kits you get.

    Look I fully understand quote: "you reserve the right to be 100% honest in your advise on any equipment decisions made by your students"

    Any more than I can advise how to use "tools" underwater to ensure that the other side will drown first and quietly before he bleeds to death.
    But neither of us are of any use to this particular thread if we wander off topic.

    Apeks Marine Spares Kits available in the UK at a fair and published retail price is pretty much all any of us are asking.

    It is really too much to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iain/hsm View Post
    Apeks Marine Spares Kits available in the UK at a fair and published retail price is pretty much all any of us are asking.
    As far as I know, Apeks Marine are no longer supplying kits from UK, they're now being shipped from France, and taking several weeks to arrive. Another excuse to up the prices and charge extra for shipping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timw View Post
    Is thier stock turnover really that slow? I can't believe they buy standard o rings that infrequently to end up with 10+ year old parts. Bulk purchase savings wouldn't be enough to make that worthwhile. Bespoke seats etc, possibly...
    No that is not what I said.

    FYI and to answer just this specific misunderstanding

    1. Apeks Marine buy around 10,000, O-rings of each size at a time.

    2. From new they know both the compound (polymer) material used, the shore hardness, the batch number and the Cure Date (Date of manufacture)

    3. Each batch is kept separate and the oldest batch sold or used first in production.

    4. The QA (Quality Assurance) documentation of Apeks Marine has documented the allowable shelf life of each of the polymers used from new (in years)

    5. If any material batch exceeds that documented Shelf Life it is isolated and disposed of.


    Now by contrast you as "Jimmy Diver" roll up to your local grease ball Hydraulics shop looking for a couple of O-rings that fit your busted second stage with only the words "Do you have this in Viton" dont be surprised that the hydraulic spec 0-ring your sold can be up to and even over 10 years old before your greasy palms get to sweat all over them. And you still have no idea of the compound, batch, or date of manufacture.
    Hence Ebay a great place to flog out of date or out of size O-rings to the broken hearted.

    Remember "Beaver Sports" and those special green O-rings so out of spec you could see the joint line from the ancient tooling in China they used to make with.

    Further being forced down the route of either using your LDS under the shelf or Ebay or the German equivalent of "Kraut's R Us" to buy our spares kits at some point it grinds the gears if you get my drift. And opens up the possibility of either dive shop under the shelf or eBay or Krauts R US making up the spares kits from old parts and stuff found dropped on the LDS floor and stuffed into old empty APEKS MARINE GENUINE PARTS KIT zip lock bags.

    Hope it cleared up the misunderstanding.
    Last edited by iain/hsm; 20-04-2021 at 01:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iain/hsm View Post
    ... a fair and published retail price is pretty much all any of us are asking.

    It is really too much to ask.
    Yes. Why does a manufacturer have to make available anything at a published retail price? And what is fair? The days of retail prices have long gone, the Internet saw that old fashioned nonsense go a long time back.

    Whilst I agree that people who wish to do their own service should be free to do so I see no reason that any manufacturer should be required to price the spare parts at a price that makes that an attractive thing to do. People have consistently voted against that sort of market interference for the last 50 years. Why should my pastime be any different?
    We give 350m a week to the EU. Let's give it to Dido Harding instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iain/hsm View Post
    old empty APEKS MARINE GENUINE PARTS KIT zip lock bags
    Genuine Apeks kits are no longer sold in plastic bags, all cardboard and paper envelope style packaging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonhi99 View Post
    As far as I know, Apeks Marine are no longer supplying kits from UK, they're now being shipped from France, and taking several weeks to arrive. Another excuse to up the prices and charge extra for shipping?

    And a reminder to them of what happens when you muzzle the Ox that treads your corn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonhi99 View Post
    Genuine Apeks kits are no longer sold in plastic bags, all cardboard and paper envelope style packaging.
    You are clearly not on that lowly path of buying from Ebay then . Now tell us something useful what's the price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iain/hsm View Post
    You are clearly not on that lowly path of buying from Ebay then . Now tell us something useful what's the price?
    Lowly path...more like a lonely path as an independant. I won't divulge the actual price or my sources, but for a 1st and 2 x 2nd stage kits 35-40.


 
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