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    Quote Originally Posted by jacko View Post
    Out of interest, is a spare part classed the same as a service part?
    It's an interesting point, you did used to be able to purchase 'travel kits' which seem to be to all intents and purposes service kits.
    I'd say a service kit is a pack of o-rings, valve seats etc. required to perform an annual service, whereas spare parts might be bodies, a-clamp to din conversions etc., however if you're replacing a cracked 2nd stage body, you're doing the work required for a service anyway.

    I've not read the whole thread, but am in a probably uncommon, but not unique position.
    I'm an ex-service tech, so are qualified to service S/Pro (haven't had a 2 year update for ages but my newest 1st is an Evo, so attended that update), Apeks and some Aqualung (it's per reg), I also have all of the tools, however I'm in a similar position to most when it comes to sourcing service kits as I don't work for a dealer any more, even though I'd only service my wife's and my equipment.
    Last edited by Phreatic; 12-05-2021 at 07:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graham_hk View Post
    But this thread started with a link and that link suggests that manufacturers will indeed have an obligation to sell parts.

    All Google: Does the UK have right to repair?

    Ministers have confirmed that from the summer consumers will have a right to repair on goods they buy. ... Manufacturers will be legally obliged to make spare parts for products available to consumers for the first time – a new legal right for repairs.
    I guess the devil is in the detail - this is aimed in part to tackle things like expensive electronics where you can't get spare parts and if you managed to get repairs done, they often void the warranty.

    If "Manufacturers will be legally obliged to make spare parts for products available to consumers for the first time" - will manufacturers argue that spare parts are available to consumers - by going to get their regulators serviced by an approved dealer? You can get your regulators repaired/serviced, just you can't get the items yourself to do it. Would that meet the legal right for repairs?

    At the moment it is just a statement by government ministers. How they actually draft the law and implement it will be key.

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    A reminder to all - you cannot use The Dive Forum to hound individuals - that's not what the site was created for.

    Several posts have been removed which transgress that rule - I'm sorry if the readability of the thread is impacted.

    Going forward any more hounding or hassling members will be removed - and if I have to do it too frequently then the same may be applied to the hassler ... you have been warned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal View Post
    A reminder to all - you cannot use The Dive Forum to hound individuals - that's not what the site was created for.

    Several posts have been removed which transgress that rule - I'm sorry if the readability of the thread is impacted.

    Going forward any more hounding or hassling members will be removed - and if I have to do it too frequently then the same may be applied to the hassler ... you have been warned

    Mal

    Do you mean "badger" not "hound" people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by graham_hk View Post
    But this thread started with a link and that link suggests that manufacturers will indeed have an obligation to sell parts.

    All Google: Does the UK have right to repair?

    Ministers have confirmed that from the summer consumers will have a right to repair on goods they buy. ... Manufacturers will be legally obliged to make spare parts for products available to consumers for the first time a new legal right for repairs.
    At the moment, there is no obligation to sell - the right to repair isn't legislation yet and hasn't been defined - if this legislation up to usual standards, it'll still be vague and open to interpretation. I also wonder how it will fit with current legislation - a retailer can advertise something for sale but doesn't have to sell it to anyone - for example, if something is mispriced on the shelf, there is an obligation to sell it at the advertised price if they do sell it, but the seller can refuse to actually sell it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal View Post
    A reminder to all - you cannot use The Dive Forum to hound individuals - that's not what the site was created for.

    Several posts have been removed which transgress that rule - I'm sorry if the readability of the thread is impacted.

    Going forward any more hounding or hassling members will be removed - and if I have to do it too frequently then the same may be applied to the hassler ... you have been warned

    Mal

    9500 views and counting tells you more about your forum than perhaps you think Mal despite those that transgress the rules.
    Now can you tell me what the site was created for again? because I thought it was for divers as a free platform for us to discuss diving issues and interests

    Not a forum for plugging the favoured scuba shops, and the scuba trade in general and especially not Apeks Marine in particular who cannot even be bothered to support this forum with at least a small donation of an advert.

    Yet they are quite free and happy to plug the regs free to the guru's, not doubt with spares kits attached while the rest of us get .........
    And have whole posts from members removed just for the asking.

    You need to see the problen as I see it. We can discuss trivia OK and as much non diving junk as we can bare, but the second anyone (myself in particular) replies to a specific post even one addressd to themselves. In a concise manner, we get moderated and or the posts removed.

    Look my posts have been clear, Crystal clear if i'm allowed to still use that term. Fully referenced even with that Gem of a video (now removed) from our very own in house Apeks Marine rep.

    That thread (now removed) did at least one thing, it taught me the importance of making back up copies. And after watching it again. It's so much better in the original. What was removed was truth, not the whole truth I agree it was a mild taster of things to come but rest assured it will be done within the rules. Going forward, you understand for the benefit of fellow divers with all merit to this great forum for being a great host and supporter.

    Kind Regards Iain
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    The irony ... your company name is in your user name and you regularly talk up your company but yet you do not sponsor the forum either
    Remember anything you read on the internet was probably written by some guy sitting at home in his underpants! Including this !!

    Illegitimi non carborundum

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    Quote Originally Posted by graham_hk View Post
    Do you mean "badger" not "hound" people?
    Graham

    That was the funniest post on this thread so far. Talk about the forum working on many levels.
    Proberbly lost on most here,

    But to our hidden Gem badgering about in the background.

    I will leave you to explain it to others here.
    I think i'm too near the naughty step again but hopeful for road kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulo View Post
    The irony ... your company name is in your user name and you regularly talk up your company but yet you do not sponsor the forum either
    Hi Paulo.

    Heck and here was me thinking I took early retirement and wound it down, moved to the Cotswolds for brisk walks cycling and tea on the lawn with the vicar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iain/hsm View Post
    No that is not what I said.

    FYI and to answer just this specific misunderstanding

    1. Apeks Marine buy around 10,000, O-rings of each size at a time.

    2. From new they know both the compound (polymer) material used, the shore hardness, the batch number and the Cure Date (Date of manufacture)

    3. Each batch is kept separate and the oldest batch sold or used first in production.

    4. The QA (Quality Assurance) documentation of Apeks Marine has documented the allowable shelf life of each of the polymers used from new (in years)

    5. If any material batch exceeds that documented Shelf Life it is isolated and disposed of.


    Now by contrast you as "Jimmy Diver" roll up to your local grease ball Hydraulics shop looking for a couple of O-rings that fit your busted second stage with only the words "Do you have this in Viton" dont be surprised that the hydraulic spec 0-ring your sold can be up to and even over 10 years old before your greasy palms get to sweat all over them. And you still have no idea of the compound, batch, or date of manufacture.
    Hence Ebay a great place to flog out of date or out of size O-rings to the broken hearted.

    Remember "Beaver Sports" and those special green O-rings so out of spec you could see the joint line from the ancient tooling in China they used to make with.

    Further being forced down the route of either using your LDS under the shelf or Ebay or the German equivalent of "Kraut's R Us" to buy our spares kits at some point it grinds the gears if you get my drift. And opens up the possibility of either dive shop under the shelf or eBay or Krauts R US making up the spares kits from old parts and stuff found dropped on the LDS floor and stuffed into old empty APEKS MARINE GENUINE PARTS KIT zip lock bags.

    Hope it cleared up the misunderstanding.
    Usual unfounded nonsense Iain, FYI information Beaver Sports have never had a single O-Ring from China and if anyone knows, I do, I really wish I could even start to imagine where you dream of such stupid comments......


 
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