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    Quote Originally Posted by iain/hsm View Post
    Now all we are asking is for Apeks Marine to supply to the public at a printed retail price the two genuine Apeks Marine service spares kits for 1st and 2nd. It's not hard but if it fails to happen this time around then things get messy and it's not like this is the first time we have all discussed this.
    It's not just Apeks, it all the manufacturers.

    Back to your point about service kits having dates on them, I don't know any manufacturer (Apeks, Cressi, ScubaPro, Beuchat, Oceanic etc etc) that does this, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iain/hsm View Post
    Hey I like that regulator (the MTX-R i mean) in fact I love it. It represents all that is great about young modern aesthetic design.
    Dont dick with the inside or the engineering and everyone is happy. Apeks then get to hire in a product design outfit who just get to change the shell apearance and colour.

    And we are all happy and no one dies.

    Now all we are asking is for Apeks Marine to supply to the public at a printed retail price the two genuine Apeks Marine service spares kits for 1st and 2nd. It's not hard but if it fails to happen this time around then things get messy and it's not like this is the first time we have all discussed this.

    On the separate subject you made of machining the Y on the 5th axis lathe I'm afraid to say your spot on no doubt we will discuss this aspect again
    Apeks are running ten axis lathes, quite a few of them.
    One of their setters is now an applications engineer with the UK distributor of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesp View Post
    Apeks are running ten axis lathes, quite a few of them.
    One of their setters is now an applications engineer with the UK distributor of them.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJembp6ty_4

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonhi99 View Post
    It's not just Apeks, it all the manufacturers.

    Back to your point about service kits having dates on them, I don't know any manufacturer (Apeks, Cressi, ScubaPro, Beuchat, Oceanic etc etc) that does this, do you?
    They all do its part of the CE requirement. All 0-ring materials seals and gaskets used in the manufacture of regulators have a recorded date of manufacture and a maximum self life.
    You just don't get to see it because you dont ask and its not in the suppliers or the (LDS) interest to tell you.

    That way it allows both manufacturers and retailers to "palm off" old seals and soft goods such as gaskets and polyurethane HP seats with only a short shelf life left to the public in those service kits you do manage to get under the counter. Hence my request for them to play fair and disclose the cure date.

    By Apex Marine et al not doing this it covers two extra "requirements" from both the manufacturer/supplier and the retailer that is against the interests of the self service diver. First it makes the end user service kits under achieve maximum potential performance and second it gets rid of any old stock lying around.

    Now please realize that despite what those "in the trade" posers tell you old seals and polymers can be up to 10 years old by the time you get them "New"

    Look I know Apeks Marine as others dont like this information being made public but more will follow and maybe more than they would like if i'm pushed to disclose.

    But the information of soft goods regardless of material Nitrile Viton FKM or even Apex Marine's EPDM all have a recognised maximum shelf life.
    When Apex Marine but 0-rings they buy in bulk and the supplier supplies with the goods a cure date (DOM) a batch numbers and a compound number. This information is recorded.

    Our issue as divers is that we dont get palmed off with 10 year old "washers" when we finally do get spares kits off the shelf from our local dive shops and we get them at a transparant recognized retail re sale retail price.

    Now I am aware of the alternative fight back thats being put in place to counteract divers getting spares more on that later.

    But the bottom line is everything soft and rubbery fails over time, knowing how old it is before you buy it is key. Hope that answered your question
    If you have more questions dont hesitate to ask its a free forum and information on this aspect of parts supply needs to be shared.
    Last edited by iain/hsm; 22-03-2021 at 07:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iain/hsm View Post
    They all do its part of the CE requirement. All 0-ring materials seals and gaskets used in the manufacture of regulators have a recorded date of manufacture and a maximum self life.
    You just don't get to see it because you dont ask and its not in the suppliers or the (LDS) interest to tell you.

    That way it allows both manufacturers and retailers to "palm off" old seals and soft goods such as gaskets and polyurethane HP seats with only a short shelf life left to the public in those service kits you do manage to get under the counter. Hence my request for them to play fair and disclose the cure date.

    By Apex Marine et al not doing this it covers two extra "requirements" from both the manufacturer/supplier and the retailer that is against the interests of the self service diver. First it makes the end user service kits under achieve maximum potential performance and second it gets rid of any old stock lying around.

    Now please realize that despite what those "in the trade" posers tell you old seals and polymers can be up to 10 years old by the time you get them "New"

    Look I know Apeks Marine as others dont like this information being made public but more will follow and maybe more than they would like if i'm pushed to disclose.

    But the information of soft goods regardless of material Nitrile Viton FKM or even Apex Marine's EPDM all have a recognised maximum shelf life.
    When Apex Marine but 0-rings they buy in bulk and the supplier supplies with the goods a cure date (DOM) a batch numbers and a compound number. This information is recorded.

    Our issue as divers is that we dont get palmed off with 10 year old "washers" when we finally do get spares kits off the shelf from our local dive shops and we get them at a transparant recognized retail re sale retail price.

    Now I am aware of the alternative fight back thats being put in place to counteract divers getting spares more on that later.

    But the bottom line is everything soft and rubbery fails over time, knowing how old it is before you buy it is key. Hope that answered your question
    If you have more questions dont hesitate to ask its a free forum and information on this aspect of parts supply needs to be shared.
    ha APEX

    (and even funnier you edited - whilst I posted it as a joke you are clearly of suboptimal intelligence)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanny View Post
    Some of these points are a little disingenuous, irrelevant or inaccurate. To address specifics:

    In the interests of full disclosure - I own a dive centre and use Apeks regs for my personal diving and rental equipment (Total of 20 in the water on one dive during the cave multistage class I was teaching this week). Apeks have kindly sponsored events I have run in the past, but I am very particular about not being personally sponsored by any manufacturer. I like to retain the ability to give students an unbiased opinion on what kit is good and what is crap. Instructors who claim that brand X (that they happen to be sponsored by) is definitely the best one year, and brand Y the following year come across as a bit shady and lose credibility.
    Like you said dude some of your points are a little disingenuous some a liitle irrelevant or inaccurate.
    But my first question to you is this.

    Would you like to talk about your "sponsorship" with Apeks Marine a little more out in Mexico just as long as you don't come across as a bit shady and lose credibility that is.
    Then I will address every specific you could ever make. Something to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graham_hk View Post
    ha APEX

    (and even funnier you edited - whilst I posted it as a joke you are clearly of suboptimal intelligence)
    Heck Graham I forgot your just too anal. How's getting a girlfriend going.
    Can I get back to you later I really should go back and answer Woz first, then Lanny, then you.
    If your OK with that,
    Last edited by iain/hsm; 22-03-2021 at 08:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iain/hsm View Post
    Like you said dude some of your points are a little disingenuous some a liitle irrelevant or inaccurate.
    But my first question to you is this.

    Would you like to talk about your "sponsorship" with Apeks Marine a little more out in Mexico just as long as you don't come across as a bit shady and lose credibility that is.
    Then I will address every specific you could ever make. Something to think about.
    Quiet day buddy?! As I said in my original post, I am very particular in not being personally sponsored so I can be absolutely honest when recommending equipment to students. Apeks have supported the Cave Camp event (which I run) in the past, providing draw prizes, some nice things for the campers' goody bags, and funding one of the social events. Totally transparent, not shady, and I reserve the right to be 100% honest in my advice on any equipment decisions made by my students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iain/hsm View Post
    Heck Graham I forgot your just too anal. How's getting a girlfriend going.
    Can I get back to you later I really should go back and answer Woz first, then Lanny, then you.
    If your OK with that,
    *You're ... as in You're a bell end.

    Really, if you're going to pick somebody up, for a joke you don't get, and then call them anal you should try harder to get your posts correct.

    Your worth to this forum is about as good as your grammar!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesp View Post
    Apeks are running ten axis lathes, quite a few of them.
    One of their setters is now an applications engineer with the UK distributor of them.
    I'm back to the diving section. I miss all the flack from the featherweights.

    Great. Does he have the DFx files, I can give him an application. Publish them on the forum Qanon, I cant.
    And if they dont like this they will hate what's coming. All we are asking is Spares Kits in the UK at a fair and Punlished Retail Price

    However in other news worse is yet to come.

    Now with Apeks Marine the latest hype to kill off the spares kits for the UK market is they will or are already offering now "Free Servicing"

    Yes drop your Apeks Marine regulator into a participating UK Retail Slatwall LDS once a year and get free servicing.

    What's the catch I hear you say:

    Well only the parts are free you still pay for all the labour, but without someone publishing the parts price list in the first place
    how do you know its a fair price and not another LDS UK dive shop rip off.
    Besides you also have to have the regulator from new and service it once a year, Bless.


 
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