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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Digger View Post
    I might try and take up the challenge of reasoned debate here.
    Any individuals choice to accept vaccination of any sort can be divided into two parts, the selfish and the altruistic and the decision to have it will be a mix of these for any one person. It seems to me likely that since there is a greater death/severe illness rate the older one gets there will be a greater proportion of perceived benefit to the older individual. Whereas for younger people (quite apart from the belief in immortality in the younger male) it is a more altruistic act. This is complicated here by the unknown as yet, extent to which vaccination of younger individuals will block transmission and hence supporting the attitude that says I won't have it because I'll probably be alright anyway and it might not stop the pandemic anyway.
    The situation in the UK is further complicated morally by the existence of the NHS so that anyone ill will get treated to the same extent as a similar aged/risk individual who has not been vaccinated, at a cost to all. It would not surprise me in the near future to see Health Insurance in the US refusing to cover Covid health care unless the individual is vaccinated or at least charging a higher premium. I know I would if I was an insurance company! This is why successive governments have sponsored various health initiatives such as obesity and smoking but with nothing in the way of legal coercion and some taxation reverse incentives (tobacco sugar etc), some of the few legal health care initiatives have been in the realm of motor accidents (seat belts and helmets) and these are firmly in the selfish camp, altruistic advantage here being limited to saving of collective spending on health and social care.
    So I think I would say that for a young person having a vaccination is a largely altruistic act, unless travel requirements will prevent a desired end for the individual. I do think this is a way like banning football hooligans from travel to foreign away games that will come into play and our government should be leading this internationally. In many ways we should be paying for our NHS, and our freedom from government coercion with a willingness to accept vaccination for the greater good. There seems little individual disadvantage to vaccination beyond a couple of days feeling meh! Unless you believe Bill Gates wants to keep track of you!
    I think if Bill Gates wanted to keep track of us he'd simply purchase the companies that make the baby vaccines we all give to our kids, and add his evil tracking chips to the ingredients thus doing away with the need for a pandemic
    For me its risk/reward question, and other than allowing me to travel i dont see much else reward. If everyone who is at risk from the virus gets jabbed then its pretty much problem solved.
    But i dont think you're a cock because you have a different opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean0801 View Post
    I think if Bill Gates wanted to keep track of us he'd simply purchase the companies that make the baby vaccines we all give to our kids, and add his evil tracking chips to the ingredients thus doing away with the need for a pandemic
    For me its risk/reward question, and other than allowing me to travel i dont see much else reward. If everyone who is at risk from the virus gets jabbed then its pretty much problem solved.
    But i dont think you're a cock because you have a different opinion
    I am a bit wary of getting into this because it is such an emotive subject, but, as Jay pointed out, some people cannot have the vaccine even if they want it and rely on the rest of the herd being as safe as possible.

    That's all I will say on this matter. You have your rights and opinions and I respect that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean0801 View Post
    I think if Bill Gates wanted to keep track of us he'd simply purchase the companies that make the baby vaccines we all give to our kids, and add his evil tracking chips to the ingredients thus doing away with the need for a pandemic
    For me its risk/reward question, and other than allowing me to travel i dont see much else reward. If everyone who is at risk from the virus gets jabbed then its pretty much problem solved.
    But i dont think you're a cock because you have a different opinion
    The lower the take up the higher the chance of the virus developing variants. Every time there is a new variant there is a chance of either it being more virulent (we are already seeing one with 70% more virulence) and/or deadly. At the moment it seems that variants have been limited to either increased spread or severity but realistically it is a simple numbers game before we get a strain that is both more virulent and deadly. The fewer hosts (non vaccinated people), the less chance of new variant.

    Personally I will do my bit to minimise the potential pool for spread/variants. The faster take up rises, the quicker we can leave current restrictions and also reduce the likelihood of future restrictions.

    The combination of the above, for me, makes the risk/reward question easy - the risk is extremely low (and likely to be limited to, at worst, flu like symptoms for a couple of days) and the reward is life getting closer to pre-covid normality and reducing the likelihood of dangerous variants.

    Vaccination programmes only work by mass vaccination

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean0801 View Post
    i do miss the good ol' days when internet keyboard warriors resorted to personal insults instead of reasoned debate
    I never debate with an idiot. Ill never convince the idiot that I'm correct, and bystanders wont be able to tell whos who.
    Believe it or not, bananas do contain a small quantity of Musa Sapientum bananadine, which is a mild, short-lasting psychedelic

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    Happy to hear you are learning from your previous postings lol
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    According to the BSAC guidelines, if you test positive for antibodies you need a medical before diving.

    So in theory 24million people have just disqualified themselves.

    This can't be right surely?

    I expect the advice to change to reflect the new "normal".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neilwood View Post
    The lower the take up the higher the chance of the virus developing variants. Every time there is a new variant there is a chance of either it being more virulent (we are already seeing one with 70% more virulence) and/or deadly. At the moment it seems that variants have been limited to either increased spread or severity but realistically it is a simple numbers game before we get a strain that is both more virulent and deadly. The fewer hosts (non vaccinated people), the less chance of new variant.

    Personally I will do my bit to minimise the potential pool for spread/variants. The faster take up rises, the quicker we can leave current restrictions and also reduce the likelihood of future restrictions.

    The combination of the above, for me, makes the risk/reward question easy - the risk is extremely low (and likely to be limited to, at worst, flu like symptoms for a couple of days) and the reward is life getting closer to pre-covid normality and reducing the likelihood of dangerous variants.

    Vaccination programmes only work by mass vaccination
    Hear, hear.

    Also, there are immuno-compromised people who simply can't be vaccinated. Without near universal vaccination in the population these people are put at higher risk.

    I think it's simple: in this country, those who could be vaccinated but choose not to be are selfish Randian* fools who'll run crying to socialised care as soon as they get ill.

    Edit: Oops - just seen this:
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay_Benson View Post
    It isn't just about the medicines YOU need, it helps prevent those people that cannot take the vaccine catching from you.
    Agreed. /edit



    *Ayn, not James.
    Last edited by MarkP; 11-03-2021 at 08:26 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noggin the Nog View Post
    Try the NHS website anyway. You may be surprised.
    I've booked via my GP at their request. The NHS website says I'm not eligible yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    Seriously, forget about sidemount - it's bollocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gobfish1 View Post
    Happy to hear you are learning from your previous postings lol
    You should be flattered, as I occasionally deign to debate with you
    Believe it or not, bananas do contain a small quantity of Musa Sapientum bananadine, which is a mild, short-lasting psychedelic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chimp View Post
    You should be flattered, as I occasionally deign to debate with you
    I know lol
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