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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrygoss View Post
    Well weatherpoons and a certain birmingham navy (who unfriended me after the news his voting meant no more club bookings)
    It’s less than that already

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    Birmingham has a Navy??? What do they do when they want to declare war - get on the bus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energy58 View Post
    Birmingham has a Navy??? What do they do when they want to declare war - get on the bus?
    Fill the canal?

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    If the navvy is who I think it is, if he fell in the canal all the water would get out!
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    Seriously, forget about sidemount - it's bollocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    There was a lot of hand-wringing in the Guardian about why Labour lost and what it needs to do to win next time. The feedback from canvassers interviewed by the paper suggest that whilst Corbyn was often the reason the person on the doorstep gave they were unable to articulate why they didn't like him or what they thought was wrong with him.
    For me Jezza C frightened the daylights out of me. No financial or business acumen, untrustworthy, two faced, zero concern about British people who were to finance his plans. IMO he would have opened the flood gates to any and every nare-do-well and illegal immigrant he could find.

    Had Corbyn got in on the Friday after the election I'd made my mind up my business was up for sale - I'd had primed the agents to be ready for my call to put it up for sale even though I expected a fairly substantial hit as I doubted I'd get the sale completed before a thieving budget from such a labour government.


    In the end we have to blame that ersatz Tory, Tony Booth's son-in-law, Blair for wrecking the country, giving open arms to people from the E8 countries (which no other west EU country did) to come in their unrestricted numbers and starting the break-up of the UK by giving the Welsh and Scot's their own parliaments. Had he not done that then the wingers would not have been so vocal in stirring up the likes of Farage and the Wail/Excess news groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.P. View Post
    For me Jezza C frightened the daylights out of me. No financial or business acumen, untrustworthy, two faced, zero concern about British people who were to finance his plans. IMO he would have opened the flood gates to any and every nare-do-well and illegal immigrant he could find. .
    I understand, but you must honestly realise this is bullshit. You do know - I am sure - this viewpoint is imaginary? It is pure Daily Mail lies. Don't get me wrong, Corbyn was not someone I had much time for but your caricature is just absurd.

    Johnson was described by his ex boss Max Hastings (a crusty old Tory if ever there was one) as unfit for public office. I don't have much time for Hastings either but he was bang on the money. Johnson made his living telling lies about the EU and is probably one of the most untrustworthy, lazy, incompetent people on the planet. Voting for him is so moronic it is indefensible. The people that did so are responsible for the fuck up we now have and the economic disaster that is forming with our no deal Brexit.

    Sometimes in life the alternatives are both poor. Often the case in UK politics and indeed around the world. But I reject the idea that because one candidate is bad you should vote for the one that is even worse. That is - IMHO - a piss poor excuse that is not true.

    Quote Originally Posted by F.P. View Post
    Had Corbyn got in on the Friday after the election I'd made my mind up my business was up for sale - I'd had primed the agents to be ready for my call to put it up for sale even though I expected a fairly substantial hit as I doubted I'd get the sale completed before a thieving budget from such a labour government.
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yawn. I am still waiting for Frank Bruno to fuck off after Labour won. What was that? 20 years is it now?

    Quote Originally Posted by F.P. View Post
    In the end we have to blame that ersatz Tory, Tony Booth's son-in-law, Blair for wrecking the country
    Wrecking? So this country is wrecked is it? How so. We are a relatively prosperous western economy with a decent standard of living. Mugabe wrecked Zimbabwe, that's for sure - it would not be hard to find examples of that. But the UK is not "wrecked". It has a functioning health service for the time being and an economy within normal European parameters. If any "wrecking" is likely it will be Brexit and the coming depression that "wreck" the country.

    But we both know the rest of your last paragraph is the issue. It always is. Every single time. It is why the Germans voted for Hitler in the 30s.

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    Spectator running an article today asking if Johnson might quit.

    Brexit + Covid + dictatorial government = perfect storm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    It has a functioning health service.....
    That's a mattter of opinion.

    For many years it's been very patchy.
    Fine if you roll up with a life threatening emergency but if you just have something that needs fixing or are in a lot of pain the response is often 3rd world.
    On an ever lengthening list somewhere, in the hope you die before your turn comes.

    As for Covid-19, the only reason it coped was by ditching every other kind of NHS work.
    As Covid has subsided, for now, the other areas of the NHS have not recovered.

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    My daughter-in-law and grandson both work in the NHS at two different hospitals. Both have the same moans about the NHS - the inefficient admin and the over-preponderence of managers with a lot of power and very little clinical knowledge. My grandson says that to get one of his patients admitted, he has to clear it with THREE different bed managers. At the hospital where my daughter-in-law works, all records are still on paper and admin staff wander around pushing trolley loads of the stuff.

    My wife has had problems getting the 6 monthly pain killing injection she is due which due to admin cock-ups is now over 9 months overdue. It seems she has been put on the wrong waiting list and now has to wait for a re-assessment before she can even be put on to the right waiting list. There is no indication as to whether she will ever get it.

    Compare that with our super-efficient GP practice which has everything on the system and has been providing an excellent service including face-to-face appointments where necessary all during this pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron MacRae View Post
    That's a mattter of opinion.

    For many years it's been very patchy.
    Fine if you roll up with a life threatening emergency but if you just have something that needs fixing or are in a lot of pain the response is often 3rd world...
    It is not perfect. However in genuine third world countries you die because you cannot afford 50p for some penicillin. The NHS is still very very good compared to a huge amount of the rest of the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Allan Carr View Post
    My daughter-in-law and grandson both work in the NHS at two different hospitals. Both have the same moans about the NHS - the inefficient admin and the over-preponderence of managers with a lot of power and very little clinical knowledge. My grandson says that to get one of his patients admitted, he has to clear it with THREE different bed managers. At the hospital where my daughter-in-law works, all records are still on paper and admin staff wander around pushing trolley loads of the stuff.
    There is a lot of pointless administration but mostly due to the Tory imposition of an internal market where none exists. Trusts now "compete" with one another for patients in order to win funding. The management culture is wrong because as you say there are insufficient technical specialists and too many general managers, ironically the solution therefore is to pay the managers more money and employ people that have the clinical skills as well as management skills. This draws the ire of the Mail reading masses who then tell you the mangers are "overpaid" and the money better spent on clinical staff.

    As a percentage of GDP we get pretty good value for the NHS in terms of outcomes and clinical care. A large part of the costs could be avoided if the Blair administration had not privatised the physical infrastructure. Sadly the population are more inclined to vote for parties that espouse the benefits of privatisation and so the Labour party won a big victory by pretending to be Tories. Now we are paying the price of that stupidity.

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    Had a look at the NHS statistics for covid (https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistic...-daily-deaths/)

    Pulled down the WEEKLY file for 24th September (N.B. this is for England only)

    Clicked on Tab3 - Deaths by condition

    Of the nearly 30,000 people who've died with Covid since February:
    • 4 people under 20 have died with no pre-existing conditions
    • 35 people under 40 have died with no pre-existing conditions
    • 270 people under 60 have died with no pre-existing conditions


    With all the attention on students, how many died of alcohol poisoning during the same period?


 
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