Is that your cave line?
Is that your cave line?
Now for a serious moment (not re-running old debates)...
@greatwhite: have you considered the long hose + primary donate? There's loads of benefits with it, not least that you've somewhere to properly stash the regulators and that you'll always know they're working. For singles it's exactly the same as for a twinset. If you do have to give your regulator to someone who's out of gas or low on gas, you have a bit of space between you. You'll also be used to changing your regulators as it's easy to do it on every dive.
of where it's situated. Again the config alone does not change a poor check by an inept diver.
making the need for a bit of space irrelevant.
Bottom line is the Octopus is still by a massive margin ITRO 90% of the world of diving THE alternate for singles and that's because the protocols
are taught from day one and establsihed within the gerenral peer group that divers mix with on singles. Sure being the largest used will have loads
of inept divers and poor practices, but that will never be miraculosly solved by changing a config to something else.
Once onto twins though the story is very different with the figure the other way around and the larger majority running PD. For these types
of dives and the additional complexties, no question PD now has some real advantages.
One of these days you'll get that changing the config does not change the attitude of the diver
The only thing I remember about having an octopus -- only used those right at the beginning of my dive career -- was that they're very much second-class citizens. They're stuffed away in random places (pockets, bungeed, folded in half, etc.) and are most definitely not as accessible as a short hose bungeed to your neck, where testing is utterly trivial at any point during a dive (take primary from gob, scoop up backup and breathe; spit out and shove primary back in). When kitting up you have to put the backup bungee around your neck which means you virtually have to test it every time.
To save a life it's simply take from gob and shove into other diver's gob, scoop up backup -- which you know works because you practice every dive -- then breathe. Worry about unthreading longhose after everyone lives.
As you well know there's heaps of other benefits of the longhose which are way out of scope for this thread (e.g. same procedure if breathing deco gas, same muscle memory, same config for all OC diving).
But each to their own.
No it's a re-run of the same old BS endemic in diving of picking the default to suit your POV.
Your default on the Octopus is an inept diver that can't do s*it, while default on PD is dive ninja.
Apply the same criteria to both if you want to be objective instead of a poster boy.
What I understand is for the past 500 dives or so I've used a longhose, so have the right to an opinion of it. I also used to use an octopus and remember how completely crap that was, not least because it would be stuffed somewhere in the BCD and was never practised because it was awkward.
As I said, the point of a longhose is it's trivially easy to use and maintain.
Both methods have advantages and disadvantages. I think it is rather telling that the biggest disadvantage with the long hose configuration is that it is not commonplace yet...
The views expressed are my own, worth what you've paid for them, are not on behalf of anyone else and not those of any company I work for etc.
You are happy with long-hose because it's a pre-thought out system that you've practiced and become confident in using,
yet you admit the Octo was stuffed and you failed to practice.
That's not the fault of the kit that's the fault of the diver.
If we gave a very green Wibs with the same poor attitude a long hose, stuffed and not practiced doubt if the result
would be any better.
AFAIK (and correct me if I'm wrong) you were taught how to rig/use long-hose properly along with all the benefits etc.
What if you were taught by EXACTLY the same Instructors how to rig/use an Octopus again with all the benefits etc.
This is NOT about the kit or your choice of kit now, what it is about is applying the same criteria of diver effort (or lack of)
Personally for non overhead OW diving
Both primary and Alt have 1.2m hoses. Alt routes under left arm (primary under right) both regs have swivels. Alt secured by rubber bungee necklace
Sharing on alt, the receiver can either swim on my left, of be in face to face and the hose make a natural loop - none of this silly 'S' curve as with a hose on the right side
My opinion is that 6' hoses are dog shit for general OW diving - especially in current.