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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrygoss View Post
    Yep. I chose all those.
    I can’t respond on the construction deaths in China.
    Ok - you have the language skills publish the AFR for China - accident frequency rate - start with the 3 day off work injuries per 100,000 workers.
    Then the deaths per 100,000
    Assist rather than diss

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    I don't have any interest in what the accident rate is - its not my job to decide how to conduct work in China, the Chinese government decides that. I just look at what I have seen they can achieve and I am impressed. My Chinese friends are not outraged by the treatment of the workers or the people generally - from the bits I have seen its a happier place than the UK.

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    For perspective, these are good stats with references for overall UK workplace safety, compared to the rest of the EU :

    https://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/eu...omparisons.pdf

    You are 6 times more likely to die at work in France than the UK, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Clark View Post
    For perspective, these are good stats with references for overall UK workplace safety, compared to the rest of the EU :

    https://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/eu...omparisons.pdf

    You are 6 times more likely to die at work in France than the UK, for example.
    I looked at those, graham is only for China vs the rest of the world, HK stats are there (they’re worse) but there isn’t a Chinese central stat agency like the HSE, so it’s an argument forever mired in confirmation bias, however much the authors
    Confirmation bias is discounted

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    Rebreathers are like women; they pretend to love you, whilst taking all your money and trying to kill you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Clark View Post
    The Highways Agency had a superb logo, I always liked that :



    Highways England new logo seems to sum up their sense of direction :

    That was the first thing I said about the HE logo; 'keeps changing direction, don't know where to go.'
    Mah Nŕ Mah Nŕ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrygoss View Post
    I looked at those, graham is only for China vs the rest of the world, HK stats are there (they’re worse) but there isn’t a Chinese central stat agency like the HSE, so it’s an argument forever mired in confirmation bias, however much the authors
    Confirmation bias is discounted

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    I can't have confirmation bias I didn't state a position - I merely questioned your (questionable) data.

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    Guys

    You may have more luck comparing Japan with the UK. Comparing a comunist controlled country lead by nut cases......oh, wait a minute........

    They have an incredable record of civils post natural disaster............

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...aired-two-days

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-road-recovery
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Evans View Post
    Guys

    You may have more luck comparing Japan with the UK. Comparing a comunist controlled country lead by nut cases......oh, wait a minute........

    They have an incredable record of civils post natural disaster............

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...aired-two-days

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-road-recovery
    But, but its only possible in Asia because of their poor safety record and cutting corners...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrygoss View Post
    I looked at those, graham is only for China vs the rest of the world, HK stats are there (they’re worse) but there isn’t a Chinese central stat agency like the HSE, so it’s an argument forever mired in confirmation bias, however much the authors
    Confirmation bias is discounted

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    Interesting that the HK statistics are worse. I do wonder if that is to do with quailty of recording. When we went from China to HK, the difference in safety standards was very apparent. HK was very much like the UK - full PPE, safety notices everywhere, days without an accident etc. The interesting thing is that they still use bamboo scaffolding even when building high rise buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Clark View Post
    For perspective, these are good stats with references for overall UK workplace safety, compared to the rest of the EU :

    https://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/eu...omparisons.pdf

    You are 6 times more likely to die at work in France than the UK, for example.
    Interesting.
    I believe France has no equivalent of the HSE.

    Used to deal with a company that specialised in working with Lead.
    Group of workers came to the UK plant from France, and refused to set foot on the factory floor until they were issued with their French standard PPE.
    Full face masks, with belt mounted filter cannisters.

    UK factory, preformed dust masks were optional.

    Everyone has full face masks now.

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    I would imagine you are more likely to die in France as the staff are at work and the UK staff are on a tea break.



 
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