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    Quote Originally Posted by witchieblackcat View Post
    And that is where the "British obsession with having their own tanks" which you never understood comes from
    Critical mass. If everyone owns a tank there is no rental market, if no one owns a tank all the market is rental. In a country where there are huge numbers of dive clubs with compressors ownership is logical. The UK was like that and no longer is. In time tank ownership would diminish in response to that if there are more dive shops offering rental. As things are I think the number of dive shops/clubs/dive boats will continue to decline so the UK will still be an "owners market".

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    If there were a viable alternative to buying your own tanks, I am quite sure that most people would opt to rent. No storage issues, no retesting timescales to worry about etc.

    Rental really only works where shops are local and have the facilities for their own fleet of rental tanks (space, compressor, testing facility, tank monkey) - people could look at the ease of renting vs having their own and decide the costs are reasonable. If there were a sizeable need for rental tanks the local shops would have them however that is not the case.

    I will be doing a trip in April with a shop where I will rent tanks (they bring 2 vans full of tanks for everyone) - 4 tanks for 2 days diving with no option for refills. No way I could take my own 2 and make 4 dives work. Not worth me having 4 tanks myself though.

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    Sheesh, I did something wrong. I just tested 30 of my cylinders. I may have to start getting rid of some. Doubles, stages, bailout..... Actually all I need anymore are the three for the rebreather, one for the booster, diluent, O2 and Argon. They just kind of collected as my diving progressed. It all started because though the dive shop was local, its hours were difficult. But in the end, as stated before, the really only reason for an OW diver to own his own cylinders is CONVENIENCE.

    Maintenance can definitely become an issue. Here in the US - Hydro every 5 yrs ($50), Visual yearly about $15. Fills depend on location and can be anywhere from $5.00 to $10.00 plus. More for Nitrox.

    The outside storage bin looks interesting, especially if sort of watertight.
    An independent diver

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    There are around 25 cylinders in my shed.

    They range from 1.5L to 50L.

    Keeping them in a shed is fine. Like always, keep gas in them to keep the insides dry
    Remember anything you read on the internet was probably written by some guy sitting at home in his underpants! Including this !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulo View Post
    There are around 25 cylinders in my shed.

    They range from 1.5L to 50L.

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    Have you thought of running a tank rental business?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    Have you thought of running a tank rental business?
    Sure 25 is hardly enough for 1 man, nevermind anyone else!
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    Quote Originally Posted by graham_hk View Post
    No not feasible in the market now
    Which lunatic would want to start a cylinder hiring business? For majority of divers you'd have thousands of quids worth of stock and testing liability sat there all week, only to have a mad rush on them for the weekend.
    The only people it might/(/does) work for are charter boats where they might get a profitable charter that they wouldn't otherwise, this would be different if everybody hired them I suppose. (thinking scapa where they'd be in use every week)


    No brainer for me, you've only got to dive 10 times and you could buy a tank. I never like renting anything for that reason tbh. Though it does trip me up occasionally when I run out of out of test tanks to take on trips away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WFO View Post
    No brainer for me, you've only got to dive 10 times and you could buy a tank.
    A couple of years ago, we had neglected to get a test done in time for a Scapa trip. Renting a twinset for the week was an option, but so expensive that we bought a new one. It's been pretty handy to have three sets between us, occasionally wish we had two each

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    Quote Originally Posted by WFO View Post
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    No brainer for me, you've only got to dive 10 times and you could buy a tank. I never like renting anything for that reason tbh. Though it does trip me up occasionally when I run out of out of test tanks to take on trips away.
    You must have a seriously cheap source of tanks.

    The example I gave of Cardiff Scuba was £4. If you take the price of a new tank as the GoDive price it is £155. Ergo 38 rentals to buy the tank. Testing is appx £80 over a five year cycle or £16 a year or four rentals. (assuming no shot blast).

    Financially renting is sensible if you don't dive all that much. So it is convenience. I used to rent tanks when I lived in London as my LDS was not far away, but (like many other people on here) that option is not a working solution where I live now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    You must have a seriously cheap source of tanks.

    The example I gave of Cardiff Scuba was £4. If you take the price of a new tank as the GoDive price it is £155. Ergo 38 rentals to buy the tank. Testing is appx £80 over a five year cycle or £16 a year or four rentals. (assuming no shot blast).

    Financially renting is sensible if you don't dive all that much. So it is convenience. I used to rent tanks when I lived in London as my LDS was not far away, but (like many other people on here) that option is not a working solution where I live now.
    I did 98 dives in the UK in 2019. Renting really isn't cost effective for me at Cardiff Scuba's rates even if you assume I did two dives for every rental and don't factor in the number of times I used a cylinder in the pool or lent one to somebody else.


 
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