What length of hose for an octopus?

[Tibbs78]

Yes. But the hog loop is doing it correctly whilst the other alternatives are not.

Shush, we're not supposed to talk like that any more!

I'm still waiting to see the mythical video BSAC created of them choking someone with a long hose. I was told it existed, but it was never put out.

[Chrisch]

Shush, we're not supposed to talk like that any more!

I'm still waiting to see the mythical video BSAC created of them choking someone with a long hose. I was told it existed, but it was never put out.

Oh it exists alright. It's on the dark web. David Cameron in a rubber suit being choked with a long hose.

[Allan Carr]

If you want a cheaper version of the Apeks device, a trip to Wickes for some rainwater pipe could be an alternative.

[dwhitlow]

Yes. But the hog loop is doing it correctly whilst the other alternatives are not.

Sorry. CCR is doing it correctly and everything else is a waste of gas! There are those who combine hog loop and CCR but IMHO that is just silly.

[dwhitlow]

That's interesting, it was on the BSAC twin set course where the idea of using bungee was first suggested to me. I've been using it for a few years now and have never had a problem with the hoses snagging on deployment.

It was just a feature of the twinning bands I had and wasn't hard to work around. However, I took it as a sign to stay as I was and instead I assisted the 'unqualified' hog looping divers in the branch to get an ART ticket. This enabled them to dive as they chose and maintained compliance with BSAC dogma so everyone was happy.

Totally get the point about re-stowing but to be honest whenever I've needed to do that I just gesticulate at my buddy and get them to do it. In a real emergency re-stowing isn't an issue anyway.

In a real emergency you would need to restow after you've both switched gas. However, your simplest option would be to hog loop the hose. After all you could donate it as you'd already done. Alternatively, your 'no longer panicking' buddy could stuff it back in the bungee.

[jturner]

In a real emergency you would need to restow after you've both switched gas. However, your simplest option would be to hog loop the hose. After all you could donate it as you'd already done. Alternatively, your 'no longer panicking' buddy could stuff it back in the bungee.

I think your second sentence said all that's needed to be said. Bungeeing a long hose is what was once the best idea someone could come up with to make a long-hose twinset kit look and act a bit like a traditional single cylinder setup. It's a compromise and works, sort of. But it's just simpler to hog loop the hose, even on a single cylinder setup.

[witchieblackcat]

Yes. But the hog loop is doing it correctly whilst the other alternatives are not.

According to your dogma. Others have other dogma. I have a loop so don't really care.

Oh it exists alright. It's on the dark web. David Cameron in a rubber suit being choked with a long hose.

Don't really care if it's long or short but Cameron being choked appeals.

[Wardy_uk]

I assisted the 'unqualified' hog looping divers in the branch to get an ART ticket.

ART being?

[Chrisch]

ART being?

Advanced Recreation Trimix.

http://www.iantd.uk.com/courses-trimix.php

A popular course for c50m diving with the option to offset N2 a little. I'm sure there is enough bullshit controversy about this course to get us to page 10 on the thread

[Wardy_uk]

ART being?

ah yes - ofcourse it is... having a brain-fart this morning!

its a shame none of the proper Tech agencies do just a primary-donate/hog loop course really - would be useful for us BSAC divers just flirting with tech diving, using twinsets and accelerating deco but want to "offically" use the long hose... <shrugs>

[jturner]

ah yes - ofcourse it is... having a brain-fart this morning!

its a shame none of the proper Tech agencies do just a primary-donate/hog loop course really - would be useful for us BSAC divers just flirting with tech diving, using twinsets and accelerating deco but want to "offically" use the long hose... <shrugs>

I think they'd be accused of being Padi if they did, creating a course for something so simple. I think it's covered in various Foundations/Fundamentals courses though, should you be tempted. Or you could get someone who knows how to do it properly to coach you?

[Chrisch]

I think they'd be accused of being Padi if they did, creating a course for something so simple. I think it's covered in various Foundations/Fundamentals courses though, should you be tempted. Or you could get someone who knows how to do it properly to coach you?

It was the case (assume still is) if you were a BSAC instructor you couldn't teach primary donate and so many many people who could have covered this in 10 minutes on a cold winter's night at a club meeting where there wasn't much else to do were stopped from doing so. I have always assumed many broke BSAC rules to show how to do it just as many solo dive or go in overhead environments of do not practice rule of thirds.

[Barrygoss]

What length of hose for an octopus?

It was the case (assume still is) if you were a BSAC instructor you couldn't teach primary donate and so many many people who could have covered this in 10 minutes on a cold winter's night at a club meeting where there wasn't much else to do were stopped from doing so. I have always assumed many broke BSAC rules to show how to do it just as many solo dive or go in overhead environments of do not practice rule of thirds.

Well until BSAC semi revoked the hog loop edict, I didn’t train a single diver.
Interesting to see the membership reportedly go up once the hog edict was revoked

B

[Allan Carr]

Well until BSAC semi revoked the hog loop edict, I didn’t train a single diver.
Interesting to see the membership reportedly go up once the hog edict was revoked

B

I doubt that is the reason - most BSAC members have never heard of hog-looping or even long hoses come to that.

[dwhitlow]

I doubt that is the reason - most BSAC members have never heard of hog-looping or even long hoses come to that.

Indeed.

For most divers a long hose is something they use to wash their kit down. I used mine today and it worked a treat and stowing was a simple matter of winding it back onto the reel.