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  • dunny
    TDF Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 166

    Strange Dive Today - Visual Distrubances

    Hi All,


    Wondering if anyone has any ideas on what may have caused this. I was on the second dive of the day on my JJ when I noticed that I couldn't really see the rightmost LED on my HUD. It was like I was getting tunnel vision. I then also noticed that I had disturbances in my vision. This was only a 20m dive I was playing with some new video lights so at this point I bailed out but the disturbances remained. It was very strange I've never experienced anything like this before while diving, what I can say was that at the time I felt completely fine and didn't feel like I had impaired decision making. I ascended to 6m on my BO but subsequently decided that since the symptoms remained I didn't want to be underwater anymore, since I had no deco obligation I ascended straight to the surface after about a 1min stop at 6m.


    After getting back to the car and de-kitting I started to get a splitting headache which lasted for several hours post dive, it only went after taking some paracetamol and going asleep for a few hours.


    What I can conclude:
    It probably wasn't anything to do with my O2 or Dil, this was the second dive of the day and the 3rd dive in total on this set of cylinders, all previous dives were without incident.


    I had a fresh scrubber packed that day and at this point only had about 1hr 20min on it doing very low stress/low exertion dive.


    When I noticed the problem with my vision I made a conscious effort to check my breathing encase of CO2, it was completely steady and I was not finding it difficult to breathe.


    Although the water is very cold this time of year I was warm, I was wearing fourth element xerotherms with a heated vest and a fourth element halo undersuit, with heated gloves. The only part that was slightly cold was my feet.


    This was only my third dive with a new hood, I can't think of any reason why this would make a difference but that is one part of my kit that has changed recently.


    At the moment my only conclusion is that I started to get a migraine underwater, I do get them about once a year but never while diving before.


    Any ideas?


    I have left the rebreather together and I am going to breathe off it tomorrow for 20mins to check for CO2 breakthrough but since my breathing remained steady I am not expecting this to teach me anything.


    Phil
  • JonG
    Established TDF Member
    • Apr 2017
    • 1038

    #2
    Was it similar to a type of aura, where you could see somethings but not others, similar to light related blindness?

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    • Spirit of Guernsey
      Established WTF Member
      • Dec 2012
      • 7369

      #3
      An ocular migraine. I get the odd one.

      Ocular migraines are painless, but the weird visual phenomena can be scary.
      There are four varieties in society: the lovers, the ambitious, observers and fools. The fools are the happiest.
      Hippolyte Taine – French critic and historian (1828-93)

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      • JonG
        Established TDF Member
        • Apr 2017
        • 1038

        #4
        Migraine with aura can be a symptom of a of a pfo, Peter Wilmshurst, who was my specialist when I had mine closed was doing research into the phenomenon.

        My worst hit involved visual disturbance albeit I was topside by then.

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        • dunny
          TDF Member
          • Oct 2013
          • 166

          #5
          Originally posted by JonG
          Was it similar to a type of aura, where you could see somethings but not others, similar to light related blindness?
          Yes, once I was back at the car I definitely had lost some peripheral vision on my right side which returned slowly over the next few hours.

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          • Paulo
            Established TDF Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 14507

            #6
            Could you have had a pinch point in the loop somewhere causing co2 build up without realising? Maybe check the mushrooms too just in case.

            Be good to rule out the easy stuff before worrying about the bigger stuff
            If my post doesnt have a typo, then I have probably been hacked!

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            • dunny
              TDF Member
              • Oct 2013
              • 166

              #7
              Originally posted by JonG
              Migraine with aura can be a symptom of a of a pfo, Peter Wilmshurst, who was my specialist when I had mine closed was doing research into the phenomenon.

              My worst hit involved visual disturbance albeit I was topside by then.
              I guess it could be PFO related I've never been checked but I have completed probably 1000+ dives at this point and never been bent before. If it happens again I'll get checked.

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              • dunny
                TDF Member
                • Oct 2013
                • 166

                #8
                Originally posted by Paulo
                Could you have had a pinch point in the loop somewhere causing co2 build up without realising? Maybe check the mushrooms too just in case.

                Be good to rule out the easy stuff before worrying about the bigger stuff
                I suppose so, but I would have expected rapid breathing to have started in that case?

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                • JonG
                  Established TDF Member
                  • Apr 2017
                  • 1038

                  #9
                  Have you ever had any kind of skin bend Phil or sub-clinical symptoms like fatigue etc?

                  Do you get an aura with migraine sometimes?

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                  • dunny
                    TDF Member
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 166

                    #10
                    Never a skin bend, sub-clinical symptoms maybe hard to say as they are so subjective. I've definitely been very tired after long dives before but I would think that pretty normal. When I do get a migraine I always get an aura, its just normally the other way around, headache starts first, then the vision goes second.

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                    • Tens
                      Established TDF Member
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 954

                      #11
                      I have had migraines with aura for, ooo, 50 years. Probably 5 or 6 a year. After diving for something like 13 years with no problems, I started to experience a migraine after every "deeper" dive, say over 30m. That's every time, within half an hour of surfacing which was slightly worrying. It didn't matter how much deco I did. I could do 20 minutes extra on a 5 min deco obligation and, bam, migraine.

                      Mrs T was with me at a DOC when Dr Wilmshurst was speaking on the connection between migraines with aura and PFOs. So she made me get it checked out and I had a 10mm PFO. I got it fixed.

                      Strange thing is, I never had a DCI proper, and in the old days, as soon as the Aladin said deco over, up I went, as we all did.

                      The repair of the PFO, it was explained to me, may make the migraines worse, better, or the same. I was told I would experience one shortly after the operation, which I did. I then went a year without one, but then they settled down to pretty much the same 5 or 6 a year as before. But now never after a dive. I always carry paracetamol with me and one tablet pretty well sorts me out within half an hour although there's always a bit of residual headache for a day after.

                      I worked with a woman who had her first migraine in her 40s. She was convinced it was a stroke and got rushed to hospital. And the symptoms can indeed look just the same. So maybe worth getting every possibility checked.

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                      • F.P.
                        Established TDF Member
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 516

                        #12
                        WTF haven't you contacted the DDRC ????

                        01752 209999

                        Do It NOW!

                        Remember any abnormality after any dive - suspect DCI !
                        Last edited by F.P.; 12-01-2019, 11:12 PM.

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                        • dunny
                          TDF Member
                          • Oct 2013
                          • 166

                          #13
                          Originally posted by F.P.
                          WTF haven't you contacted the DDRC ????

                          01752 209999

                          Do It NOW!

                          Remember any abnormality after any dive - suspect DCI !
                          Wow, that is an overreaction.

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                          • JonG
                            Established TDF Member
                            • Apr 2017
                            • 1038

                            #14
                            I had done a lot of diving before I had the first concrete symptom too, which was a skin bend the visual issues were after other dives later on. At the time skin bends were thought to be minor and not neurilogically linked.

                            I had done CESAs during DM training, deco on air, shit tables, loads of deep air etc. I had also never suffered from migraines or auras and never had a headache after a dive only the visual disturbance.

                            Even on my worst hit I was asymptomatic after landing at the pot and passed the assessment test such that I wasn't recompressed just held for obs.

                            Sadly pfos can really fly under the radar but just that one time, poss due to exertion the bubbles can pass over.

                            Hope you can get sorted Phil, probably best to get it checked just in case.

                            The body is s funny thing, it might "just be one of those things".

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                            • bottle maker
                              Established TDF Member
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 1302

                              #15
                              I read the thread title and immediately thought CO2 retention. As the disturbance did not go when you baled out I was thinking possibly not. You then said you had a head ache so I think it was hypercapnia, why I am not sure but possibly if you were very relaxed concentrating on the cameras then you may not have been exhaling fully. I have suffered visual disturbance on OC just as I started to ascend. A few deep breaths then sorted me out.

                              Graham.

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