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    Junker say no.

    Out in a fortnight or in 'til 2020. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-brexit-delay


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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesp View Post
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    Well thanks for that lovely video James!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    Junker say no.

    Out in a fortnight or in 'til 2020. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-brexit-delay

    So They've offered a long extension. Not just a you're out. on the 12th
    (although the extension would mean EU elections...)

    Chances of a May/Corbyn deal?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrygoss View Post
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    Chances of a May/Corbyn deal?
    I really don't know what they are debating. The Robbins agreement is the only thing on the table. All the rest is bluster and nonsense. If there were actual options then maybe something could be done, but any reopening of the Robbins deal at this point in time is delusional thinking beyond that which got us here in the first place.

    Junker spells it out - ratify the WA by the 12th and have enough time to enable it. Leave on the 12 and wave goodbye to your economy. Or find something that you can all agree upon and have until 2020 to sort it out.

    The AfD MP for North Somerset thinks Corbyn is Pol Pot and he and his mates would rather declare martial law than do anything that Labour approve of out of principle. Since this section of the Tory party now hold a near majority I don't see any movement is possible. The Tory MPs that have any decency and regard for their ministerial duties are now on the verge of leaving the party or have already gone.

    May has failed to unify her party and failed her country. She has agreed to resign as soon as any agreement is reached and so like Cameron before her she will never see through the mess she has created. Corbyn will probably jack it in shortly (he is old after all) and so neither of them will have to do whatever they "agree" upon. Neither really have anything to lose in that respect. She is playing him like a fish and he is too pumped up to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    I really don't know what they are debating.
    That about sums it up.

    No one knows what's going on but everyone is in agreement it's a shitshow, Lord Buckethead was right all along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    I really don't know what they are debating. The Robbins agreement is the only thing on the table. All the rest is bluster and nonsense. If there were actual options then maybe something could be done, but any reopening of the Robbins deal at this point in time is delusional thinking beyond that which got us here in the first place.
    You've answered your own question. What does May always want? What they're debating is (if I understand it properly from the various reports and interviews): "What must I promise in concrete, legally binding terms that will be added to the Future Relationship document, so that your Labour MPs will vote for my deal?". The WA isn't going to change, as you say, so the only way May's deal is going to be bought by anyone is if the post WA era arrangements are to people's liking. Currently, there's nothing but a shit deal that pleases no one and a load of wishy-washy hot air from someone who has already changed their mind and then stubbornly refused to back down or compromise in any way. I'd bet that if the Future Relationship document includes some kind of binding text about getting a customs union as a minimum, JC will declare a victory and whip the Labour party into backing May's deal, getting it over the line. The bitter pill of May's deal will be sweetened by the knowledge that the future will be brighter and this is just a few moments of pain to get through the impasse. A bit like a frosted turd. The fact that his own party will probably rebel and that no future PM will be bound by May's promises is a whole different can of worms of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    Is it?

    Well over half the Tories want it. The kippers and hard core Brexit public want it. Putin and Trump want it. There are repeated protests and demonstrations in favour of it. Quite a substantial percentage of the Conservative party membership want it. At the last vote the parliament voted not to remove it as an option. For the last three years we have been lied to by the disaster capitalists that keep saying it is a "negotiating strategy" and taking it off the table leaves the UK weak.

    There is IMHO quite a substantial support for no deal. Add to that the idiots that think no deal means we are still in the EU and I am afraid it is still a very real possibility. May's only concern is that when she gets the no deal that over half her MPs want that the Tories will look like they don't give a shit about the country, it's economy and it's manufacturing. Which, although it is the truth, would never do. Jeez, Grandad might win for goodness sake. Will no one think of the huge privatisation profits.
    Yvette Cooper passed.
    Yes, bin that idea off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrygoss View Post
    Yvette Cooper passed.
    Yes, bin that idea off.
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    One vote. Speaker. Opposed by the government. Now to go through the Lords.

    Quite something when the government opposes something designed to save the UK from economic collapse and chaos. Labour and SNP whipped to support it. 91 Tory rebels. The Tory party is eating itself. Hopefully the hard right will finally split off and join UKIP or something and we can go back to "normal". I really don't know what to make of it.

    Party breakdown of votes here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47809717
    Last edited by Chrisch; 04-04-2019 at 06:45 AM. Reason: add url

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    One vote. Speaker. Opposed by the government. Now to go through the Lords.

    Quite something when the government opposes something designed to save the UK from economic collapse and chaos. Labour and SNP whipped to support it. 91 Tory rebels. The Tory party is eating itself. Hopefully the hard right will finally split off and join UKIP or something and we can go back to "normal". I really don't know what to make of it.

    Party breakdown of votes here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47809717
    One vote,
    So a landslide by leave voter terms

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    Can the Lords block the Cooper Bill?
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    Seriously, forget about sidemount - it's bollocks.


 

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