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    https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

    Likely to be a busy site trying to keep up with him. They will need multiple writers to keep up when they get to the TV debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay_Benson View Post
    https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

    Likely to be a busy site trying to keep up with him. They will need multiple writers to keep up when they get to the TV debate.
    Sadly as has been shown many times people prefer to believe a lie if it fits their prejudice rather than believe the truth. The earth is flat, climate change is a Chinese hoax, immigrants are to blame for Tory cuts, Corbyn is a Marxist and anti-Semite, vaccination causes autism, the moon landings were faked, Britain won the war, Trump digs coal, the Tories are better for the economy, black people are all drug dealers, Poles work hard, rich people earned their wealth, pensioners are poor and need more money, to name but a few....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    Sadly as has been shown many times people prefer to believe a lie if it fits their prejudice rather than believe the truth. The earth is flat, climate change is a Chinese hoax, immigrants are to blame for Tory cuts, Corbyn is a Marxist and anti-Semite, vaccination causes autism, the moon landings were faked, Britain won the war, Trump digs coal, the Tories are better for the economy, black people are all drug dealers, Poles work hard, rich people earned their wealth, pensioners are poor and need more money, to name but a few....
    WOAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! there. They are lies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay_Benson View Post
    WOAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! there. They are lies?
    At least he didn't spill about Father Christmas.
    "...are we human, or are we diver?"

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    As Nigel Farage takes £100 from would-be candidates before unilaterally deciding they won’t stand, Brexit Party members get to know what it really feels like to send sums of money to undemocratic, unelected leaders.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    Seriously, forget about sidemount - it's bollocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomanic View Post
    As Nigel Farage takes £100 from would-be candidates before unilaterally deciding they won’t stand, Brexit Party members get to know what it really feels like to send sums of money to undemocratic, unelected leaders.
    Yup. It is important to remember that this shower of shit are a limited company, not a party and so the owners/bosses say what goes. They have no manifesto and no policies and expect people to vote for them on trust. This is the equivalent of the Nigerian banking scam.

    There really are a lot of thick twats in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    Yup. It is important to remember that this shower of shit are a limited company, not a party and so the owners/bosses say what goes. They have no manifesto and no policies and expect people to vote for them on trust. This is the equivalent of the Nigerian banking scam.

    There really are a lot of thick twats in this country.
    First step towards a corporate republic perhaps? At least up until know, companies have been subtle about putting up employees as MPs. Now that there's no need for subtlety, they can run for office openly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    Yup. It is important to remember that this shower of shit are a limited company, not a party and so the owners/bosses say what goes. They have no manifesto and no policies and expect people to vote for them on trust. This is the equivalent of the Nigerian banking scam.

    There really are a lot of thick twats in this country.
    Unfortunately a lot of those thick twats think that the Brexit party are actually in it for the countries best interests and not to line their own pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jturner View Post
    First step towards a corporate republic perhaps? At least up until know, companies have been subtle about putting up employees as MPs. Now that there's no need for subtlety, they can run for office openly.
    It is part of the shift of power from the electorate to big corporations. In line with William Rees-Mogg's "sovereign individual" philosophy where the nation state is a redundant concept. Property magnate and one time boyfriend of right wing journalist Isabel Oakeshott, Richard Tice is now an MEP and standing for selection as an MP. In wider political parties we have property magnate Donald Trump running the US. The revolving door of politics that saw Blair join JP Morgan after office now is left open and does not need to revolve.

    Trade agreements such as TTIP are another feature of this development in that they give power to large corporate vested interests that is superior to the elected house of the state. This will allow big companies to sue the state if it does not - for example - give them access to a particular market.

    What is now happening in Hong Kong shows this in graphic detail. The desire for greater democracy runs counter to the business interest and is therefore being resisted. The more say that the poor have in the running of the state the greater they demand some benefit from the state which in turn drives the need for taxation - the burden of which falls mostly on big companies and hyper rich individuals. If that benefit, let's say a taxpayer funded free healthcare system as an example, can be removed or at least shifted into a paid system where people take out insurance to cover the cost (the US system) the resultant saving in public spending can be passed on as tax cuts. Since the bottom half or a bit more of people essentially pay no tax (nett) the savings fall in the top decile and the top 1% of that decile in particular.

    Big corporations like facebook (which IIRC is the world's third largest advertising revenue generator) can "offshore" tax liability to the BVI or similar and avoid tax, but if countries can get near to zero tax rates the money is better placed to reinvest and develop the existing business model. So the hyper rich like Zuckerberg have a strong vested interest in suppressing, or at least subverting, democracy where it interferes with that ability to avoid taxation on profit.

    Big media corporations like News International are part of this web of corporate power and tax avoidance. By manipulating voter opinion to their wishes it is possible to drive the economy in a direction that is beneficial to the corporation and less so to the populace. Age-old tricks like the demonisation of immigrants is a very easy way to achieve this and in behind the election of Johnson, Trump, Bolsanaro and Orbán. At the same time this can be used to obfuscate environmental issues which stand in the way of realising massive short term profit.

    it is foolish - to be fair - to suggest that the EU is somehow the antidote to this, however it does counter some of the strongest influences and provides a state structure that is big enough (should it wish to do so) to hold at bay the excesses. If we leave the EU it is certain that the already appalling record on green issues that the Tories have will get get worse. They have recently authorised a new coal mine in the UK (irony isn't it?) whilst lying about wanting to reduce CO2 emissions. Assuming the Labour green new deal is for real it is the best hope the UK has of any real shift barring the improbable election of a Green Party government.

    The creation of a limited company to stand for election is the in-your-face reality of the shift in power from the electorate to the corporate. The fact people vote for it is proof that the media and influencer organisations are more powerful that is acceptable if one cares anything at all about the world's future. If we return the current liar and his friends to office then I fear we really have no future worth thinking about.

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    Surely the UK have some sort of independent, election oversight body?

    I cannot imagine it being allowed here to sell spaces on a ballot
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