Hello and welcome to our community! Is this your first visit?
Register
Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234
Results 31 to 33 of 33
  1. #31
    Last of the Mohicans gobfish1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    the grassy knoll
    Posts
    2,582
    Likes (Given)
    3140
    Likes (Received)
    1735
    gk
    we seem to all ways be butting heads ,
    it.s not what i want and im sure its not what you want ,

    happy with you saying you tap in 10/25 on your SW ,

    Marks two profiles in this thread , i can do that dive on 10/85 and be out in under 170mins just by arsing about /manipulate the ppo2 , now if i wanted to manipulate a few stop times as well i could shave abit more out of it , so im running a 10/85 gas but
    doing the same time as the 10/25 ,

    just say ,
    your not using the profile / deco times or stops time that your 10/25 SW is showing you . its for a reference only , as run your own deco fudge ,
    you manipulate the deco and the ppo2 to get what you think is the right deco .

    thats all im asking ,

    if i wanted i could keep kicking the profile till i was out at around 145mins
    but im not going to say thats a 10/25 profile off my SW.

    come on who want a 15m end on a 100m dive lol that,s 20more mins shaved .
    Last edited by gobfish1; 08-06-2017 at 04:48 PM.

  2. #32
    Established TDF Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    672
    Likes (Given)
    73
    Likes (Received)
    284
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Chase View Post
    That answer is flipent in the extreme

    doing a 100m dive running a 10/25 profile against a actual gas of 10/85 gives 1 hours less deco running an already aggressive VPMB 2 profile

    I don't care how you try and justifie that, its extremely agressive

    I get angry when credable divers come out with "listen you your body" crap

    Unless your Doppler tested getting out of the water you have no idea what sub clinical damage you have done. I have done more than enough deep diveing to know you never feel great after 3+ hours in the water so its not that easy to tell

    If you want to run profiles like this fine but please be carefull how you post such concepts on the net (IE don't do it without proper caviets) as some idiot might just listen to it and hurt them selves.




    10/85


    MultiDeco 4.14 by Ross Hemingway,
    VPM code by Erik C. Baker.

    Decompression model: VPM - B

    DIVE PLAN
    Surface interval = 5 day 0 hr 0 min.
    Elevation = 0m
    Conservatism = + 2

    Dec to 100m (5) Diluent 10/85 0.70 SetPoint, 18m/min descent.
    Level 100m 24:27 (30) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 8m end
    Asc to 78m (32) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, -8m/min ascent.
    Stop at 78m 0:15 (33) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 7m end
    Stop at 75m 1:00 (34) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 7m end
    Stop at 72m 1:00 (35) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 7m end
    Stop at 69m 1:00 (36) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 7m end
    Stop at 66m 1:00 (37) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 7m end
    Stop at 63m 2:00 (39) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 6m end
    Stop at 60m 1:00 (40) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 6m end
    Stop at 57m 2:00 (42) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 6m end
    Stop at 54m 2:00 (44) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 6m end
    Stop at 51m 3:00 (47) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 6m end
    Stop at 48m 2:00 (49) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 6m end
    Stop at 45m 3:00 (52) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 5m end
    Stop at 42m 4:00 (56) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 5m end
    Stop at 39m 3:00 (59) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 5m end
    Stop at 36m 5:00 (64) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 5m end
    Stop at 33m 5:00 (69) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 5m end
    Stop at 30m 5:00 (74) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 5m end
    Stop at 27m 7:00 (81) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 4m end
    Stop at 24m 8:00 (89) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 4m end
    Stop at 21m 9:00 (98) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 4m end
    Stop at 18m 11:00 (109) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 4m end
    Stop at 15m 13:00 (122) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 4m end
    Stop at 12m 17:00 (139) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 4m end
    Stop at 9m 22:00 (161) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 3m end
    Stop at 6m 30:00 (191) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 3m end
    Stop at 3m 45:00 (236) Diluent 10/85 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead
    Surface (236) Diluent 10/85 -6m/min ascent.

    Off gassing starts at 85m

    OTU's this dive: 344
    CNS Total: 129.8%
    Gas density: 3.9g/l


    10/25


    MultiDeco 4.14 by Ross Hemingway,
    VPM code by Erik C. Baker.

    Decompression model: VPM - B

    DIVE PLAN
    Surface interval = 5 day 0 hr 0 min.
    Elevation = 0m
    Conservatism = + 2

    Dec to 100m (5) Diluent 10/25 0.70 SetPoint, 18m/min descent.
    Level 100m 24:27 (30) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 79m ead, 73m end
    Asc to 78m (32) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, -8m/min ascent.
    Stop at 78m 0:15 (33) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 58m ead, 57m end
    Stop at 75m 1:00 (34) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 56m ead, 55m end
    Stop at 72m 1:00 (35) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 53m ead, 53m end
    Stop at 69m 1:00 (36) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 50m ead, 51m end
    Stop at 66m 1:00 (37) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 47m ead, 49m end
    Stop at 63m 1:00 (38) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 45m ead, 46m end
    Stop at 60m 1:00 (39) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 42m ead, 44m end
    Stop at 57m 2:00 (41) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 39m ead, 42m end
    Stop at 54m 1:00 (42) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 37m ead, 40m end
    Stop at 51m 2:00 (44) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 34m ead, 38m end
    Stop at 48m 2:00 (46) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 31m ead, 36m end
    Stop at 45m 2:00 (48) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 28m ead, 33m end
    Stop at 42m 3:00 (51) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 26m ead, 31m end
    Stop at 39m 3:00 (54) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 23m ead, 29m end
    Stop at 36m 3:00 (57) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 20m ead, 27m end
    Stop at 33m 3:00 (60) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 17m ead, 25m end
    Stop at 30m 5:00 (65) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 15m ead, 23m end
    Stop at 27m 5:00 (70) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 12m ead, 20m end
    Stop at 24m 5:00 (75) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 9m ead, 18m end
    Stop at 21m 7:00 (82) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 6m ead, 16m end
    Stop at 18m 7:00 (89) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 4m ead, 14m end
    Stop at 15m 10:00 (99) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 1m ead, 12m end
    Stop at 12m 12:00 (111) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 10m end
    Stop at 9m 14:00 (125) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 7m end
    Stop at 6m 21:00 (146) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 5m end
    Stop at 3m 30:00 (176) Diluent 10/25 1.30 SetPoint, 0m ead
    Surface (176) Diluent 10/25 -6m/min ascent.

    Off gassing starts at 83.8m

    OTU's this dive: 255
    CNS Total: 96.4%
    Gas density: 10.3g/l


    10/25
    I have no idea what you are doing then - as I almost always get out of water feeling great - no matter 90min or 7hours.

    No where did I say that I was listening to my body.

    I plan the dive and dive the plan pure and simple. In order for SW not start crying till you reach 6m you need to manipulate the helium as its gives way too much deco over the plan when you're diving pretty much helix (100m would usually be on 85%+ helium and 8% O2)
    Last edited by graham_hk; 08-06-2017 at 06:21 PM.

  3. #33
    Established TDF Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    672
    Likes (Given)
    73
    Likes (Received)
    284
    Quote Originally Posted by gobfish1 View Post
    gk
    we seem to all ways be butting heads ,
    it.s not what i want and im sure its not what you want ,

    happy with you saying you tap in 10/25 on your SW ,

    Marks two profiles in this thread , i can do that dive on 10/85 and be out in under 170mins just by arsing about /manipulate the ppo2 , now if i wanted to manipulate a few stop times as well i could shave abit more out of it , so im running a 10/85 gas but
    doing the same time as the 10/25 ,

    just say ,
    your not using the profile / deco times or stops time that your 10/25 SW is showing you . its for a reference only , as run your own deco fudge ,
    you manipulate the deco and the ppo2 to get what you think is the right deco .

    thats all im asking ,

    if i wanted i could keep kicking the profile till i was out at around 145mins
    but im not going to say thats a 10/25 profile off my SW.

    come on who want a 15m end on a 100m dive lol that,s 20more mins shaved .
    No I am not using the profile the SW gives - On the bigger dives I set it at 10/25 so that tts at the start of the ascent is the same as the plan. For 60min of deco I would leave it in gf20/85 and 18/45 or 15/55 and it pretty much follows decoplanner plans generated for those dives.

    Certainly not trying to butt heads - I have a system that works for me as you have system that works for you. There's no right or wrong answer just stuff that works and debate.
    Last edited by graham_hk; 08-06-2017 at 06:33 PM.


 
Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •