Dive life - was: out of business, now: re-opened, read thread for details
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The coppers would find something to do you for I'm sure.
My experience of collecting the goods was very easy - the chap simply ask me to clearly identify the goods that were on our invoice and to assure him that they could not have come from another supplier (which was the case as our part number was on them).There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and Tory corruption and I am not sure about the universe.
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Breaking and entering is the everyday phrase for the offence of burglary, so I guess that is what you would be charged with. If you break into the premisses that would I think constitute criminal damage as you need to break something to do it.
The coppers would find something to do you for I'm sure.
My experience of collecting the goods was very easy - the chap simply ask me to clearly identify the goods that were on our invoice and to assure him that they could not have come from another supplier (which was the case as our part number was on them).
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Memento mori.Comment
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The liquidators don't have to prove the goods are not yours . They are looking at it that you are trying to permanently deprive them of their stuff.
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Definition of burglary:
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The administrators don't need to hold the door open for you. You provide your proof of ownership within the prescribed time at the prescribed location in the prescribed manner.
Anything other than that will be frowned on.
If you don't have proof of ownership it's more difficult. Your claim could sit with them for some time while they audit stock and other equipment.
But as bizarre as it might seem, you have no automatic right to remove your goods from the premises of an insolvent business or organisation.
My own business once supplied a joinery package for a branch of a well known coffee shop. The main contractor still had it on their premises when they went bust, taking us for stupid money (£187k). That package was maybe £10k worth (can't remember, can't think through mental scar tissue) and we hadn't been paid for it.
I sat in front of the insolvency geezer to be told there was zilch in the pot and we wouldn't get a single penny in the pound. I asked about the joinery package they had in storage and we were told it belonged to the main contractor's client as they had paid for it!! Any attempt to remove it would be theft.
The insolvency people had conspired against us with the client. If we'd gotten our stuff back we could have asked the client for payment directly. They'd have got their shop open and we'd have got our money. The liquidators would have got nothing.
As it was, we were the only losers.Comment
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The insolvency people had conspired against us with the client. If we'd gotten our stuff back we could have asked the client for payment directly. They'd have got their shop open and we'd have got our money. The liquidators would have got nothing.
As it was, we were the only losers.There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and Tory corruption and I am not sure about the universe.
With apologies to Albert Einstein.Comment
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We had a customer go bust a few years back and they paid some people (their mates) and not others. The insolvency practice were in my view even more dishonest and crooked than the customer. The one thing running a company here has taught me is that the UK is a deeply and profoundly corrupt country.
I've had a few dealings with insolvency practitioners, none of them were good experiences. They are very much like lawyers in my view - a tiny bit parasitic.
People asked me why I didn't just continue on my own after my difficult separation from my business partner. My only reason was that during that period I got a deep insight into the morality of the people I would have been continuing to do business with. Contracting in retail/leisure was extremely cut throat with back-handers, espionage, lies, bullying and even threats of violence.
Pretty much like any other business I guess...Comment
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When I was made redundant in 2000 I was one of a few asked to do a couple of extra weeks to get some work in progress out to customers so they could invoice it. It was over Easter and they wanted us to work right through the bank holiday weekend. They cocked up on the payrole big time and over paid me hugely. I kept it to myself.
Then about 2 years ago I got a letter from them (via my old address). Inside was a cheque for about £75. It was some dividend payout which I didn't understand. Anyway, I checked Companies house and found that the company had only just been dissolved! So maybe 14 years to get everything in.Comment
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Anything on the premises is part of the company until proved otherwise, but they'd have to catch you in the act to care about it.
I don't know if anyone has ever ended up on the wrong side of the law recovering their own stuff but it possible.
They usually change the locks on the same day they take charge. They may put security in place too.Comment
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Dive life - out of business
We had a customer go bust a few years back and they paid some people (their mates) and not others. The insolvency practice were in my view even more dishonest and crooked than the customer. The one thing running a company here has taught me is that the UK is a deeply and profoundly corrupt country.
I say "most people are selfish and inconsiderate tossers"
What is the difference, we are saying the same thing yes ?
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Memento mori.Comment
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Originally Posted by greatwhite
If you climbed through an open window is that seen a breaking and entry?
However the offence requires intent to steal. If you have an honestly held belief you own or have rights to the property you go to take, you may have a defence. Safer to go through the formal channels though...Comment
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The difference is subtle in that selfishness and tosserism are not illegal. But I think we share the same sentiment for sure.There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and Tory corruption and I am not sure about the universe.
With apologies to Albert Einstein.Comment
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