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    Quote Originally Posted by Noggin the Nog View Post
    My thought is that, if someone deliberately and willingly steps outside of the law, they should not expect the law to protect them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelemonkey View Post
    My thought is that, if someone deliberately and willingly steps outside of the law, they should not expect the law to protect them.
    Seconded.

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    It would appear that the brothers also deliberately and willingly stepped outside the law as there are very few scenarios where a handgun ownership is allowed within UK law since Dunblane - IIRC they had to make special rules to allow the pistol shooting at the Olympics.

    The fact that the brothers had been to a gun range in Texas recently suggests that the prosecution were a little short of evidence and shooting someone in the arm by what the prosecution have demonstrated are recently trained people would suggest that they were aiming for their arms unless at a great distance from the victim. However as the victim was hit twice in the same area suggests good grouping and good skill levels so it would be unlikely that they were setting out to kill the thieves. Shotguns would have been more effective against multiple people anyway and can be held legally subject the certification.

    I wonder if the wounded party has been charged with anything and whether his accomplices have been identified and caught etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelemonkey View Post
    My thought is that, if someone deliberately and willingly steps outside of the law, they should not expect the law to protect them.
    Which broken law is it OK to shoot someone over?

    By that reasoning the police should simply have shot the gun owner rather than risk an arrest as he was a far greater risk to the public than the thieves.

    Only took two weeks for us to go from feeling superior over not having random shootings by fuckwits here to actively supporting shooting someone with illegally held weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay_Benson View Post
    The fact that the brothers had been to a gun range in Texas recently suggests that the prosecution were a little short of evidence and shooting someone in the arm by what the prosecution have demonstrated are recently trained people would suggest that they were aiming for their arms unless at a great distance from the victim. However as the victim was hit twice in the same area suggests good grouping and good skill levels so it would be unlikely that they were setting out to kill the thieves.
    Two shots hit, the others missed and weren't recovered going by other reports so not that great a grouping. It was night, and even allowing for streetlighting, good luck hitting just an arm on a moving target in the heat of the moment. I think attempted murder is entirely reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay_Benson View Post
    It would appear that the brothers also deliberately and willingly stepped outside the law as there are very few scenarios where a handgun ownership is allowed within UK law since Dunblane - IIRC they had to make special rules to allow the pistol shooting at the Olympics. ...
    Pistol shooting took place in France because the UK olympic team cannot own a handgun so cannot live here or work here or practice their sport here.
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    I've been inside a few chambers over the years, not once has it ever been operated by someone trained in rectal ozone therapy or the administration of coffee enemas. Murrayfield must be crapping it over the competition...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisch View Post
    Pistol shooting took place in France because the UK olympic team cannot own a handgun so cannot live here or work here or practice their sport here.
    The pistol shooting took place at Royal Artillery Barracks, Woolwich and there are several location in the UK which are allowed to be used for pistol shooting including some ranges at Bisley.
    It is pretty much limited to "Elite" competitors though, so they have to learn on air pistols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay_Benson View Post
    It would appear that the brothers also deliberately and willingly stepped outside the law as there are very few scenarios where a handgun ownership is allowed within UK law since Dunblane - IIRC they had to make special rules to allow the pistol shooting at the Olympics.

    The fact that the brothers had been to a gun range in Texas recently suggests that the prosecution were a little short of evidence and shooting someone in the arm by what the prosecution have demonstrated are recently trained people would suggest that they were aiming for their arms unless at a great distance from the victim. However as the victim was hit twice in the same area suggests good grouping and good skill levels so it would be unlikely that they were setting out to kill the thieves. Shotguns would have been more effective against multiple people anyway and can be held legally subject the certification.

    I wonder if the wounded party has been charged with anything and whether his accomplices have been identified and caught etc.

    I believe there is pretty much no reason in the UK to have a pistol and ammunition at home that isn't a long barrelled revolver or long barrelled .22lr semi-automatic (long barrelled means that it has a 12" barrel and an overall length of 24").

    There are various rules that allow for having pistols as part of a collection, usually the pistols would have to have some sort of historic reason for being collected, but then you wouldn't be allowed to have live ammunition in a calibre that would work in that gun.

    There are also some options to own a pistol and ammunition for it, but the pistol has to be stored at one of a few specially designated ranges and only limited shooting of them is allowed and I believe only the owner is allowed on the range at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barnaby_s View Post
    I believe there is pretty much no reason in the UK to have a pistol and ammunition at home that isn't a long barrelled revolver or long barrelled .22lr semi-automatic (long barrelled means that it has a 12" barrel and an overall length of 24").

    There are various rules that allow for having pistols as part of a collection, usually the pistols would have to have some sort of historic reason for being collected, but then you wouldn't be allowed to have live ammunition in a calibre that would work in that gun.

    There are also some options to own a pistol and ammunition for it, but the pistol has to be stored at one of a few specially designated ranges and only limited shooting of them is allowed and I believe only the owner is allowed on the range at that time.
    Basically made the sport impossible to practise unless you were really well off. I tried to continue shooting Olympic Free Pistol (single shot 22lr) with the few modified models that had a long barrel, (to comply with one reg), and permanently fitted rear facing 'stabilisers' (to increase overall length to comply with a second reg) but it was too unwieldy. Dropped out of competetive shooting and became a rifle coach for a while.
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