Why do units cost so much?

[Ruffy]

When you strip a unit down and look at the total sum of parts you get for the price of a small car! My question is why?
The technology is not exactly new....well not much of it is? Just touched up a little?

Would like to buy a new JJ . But justifying the cost is proving very hard for me.....

Maybe I am wrong and the cost is justified?...what do you think?

Had a kitchen company around during the week who told me the cost of a bunch of pressed Chipping's units without fitting or appliances would cost 3k!....I laughed until they left

Maybe it's just me getting old and tight

[Chris Thomas]

R&D and provision for legal cases?

Rebreathers are a pretty limited run compared to most cars too.

I would like to buy a Merc CLA45 AMG... buy I can't justify the cost either so I'll keep my MPS and buy a rebreather instead!!!

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[Hot Totty]

Sorry Ruffy you're right - old n tight

[GLOC]

As with any small production run, the Non-recurring expenses (NRE) have to be recouped somehow.

As with more units coming online, there is a smaller market share available. Poseidon have sunk everything they own into the Mk VI and really need it to be picked up as a consumer unit, not a specialist piece of equipment.

I can't remember the costs of a full CE test (if you don't own the test equipment) but was in the order of £75k per set of tests from what Gavin Anthony/John Clarke presented at RF3.0 last year. That has to be recovered somehow. Same for R&D, tooling, management and labour overheads.

Regards

[SoggyBottoms]

Why do units cost so much?

there's a lot of very expensive tooling required and CE costs a small fortune. maybe Martin and the real big manu's make money but small scalers....?
they sink in a lot before seeing a penny I reckon

[MikeF]

I think the short answer is that the price is what the market will stand.

[notdeadyet]

Re: Why do units cost so much?

If it's anything like homebuilding then when you buy one rebreather you're also paying for the ten rebreathers that didn't work.

Plus, to make a unit you need to be a business, a business needs to make a profit to keep making units.

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[WFO]

If it's anything like homebuilding then when you buy one rebreather you're also paying for the ten rebreathers that didn't work.

Plus, to make a unit you need to be a business, a business needs to make a profit to keep making units.

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^ lol.

I have no idea. I reckon I could design something KISS style that could probably be sold as a kit for really quite cheap, maybe even sub £1000. Dunno about the legal side of that in the UK, might just mill "organ donor" into the top of it like I did on some bike parts

I thought I might save the expense and hassle of testing by just bullshitting about a vast unmanned, manned and monkey testing program but I think someone beat be to it ahahaha...

[Dave Lev]

Why do units cost so much?

I'm not a rebreather diver but I've been considering it, on and off, for a long time. The unit costs sound generally reasonable to me.

What doesn't make sense to me is that, at those prices with a small overall market and a number of competitors, the manufacturers don't all seem to value their reputation (for reliability and/or customer service) anywhere near as much as I would have thought.

[Hickdive]

I don't suppose it helps if you have to make provision for frivolous lawsuits from rival "manufacturers".

AIUI Teledyne are a pretty big player but one such experience was enough for them to exit the rebreather sensor sector. Now they have lots if other, bigger sensor markets to exploit than recreational diving but rebreather manufacturers often don't have other sectors to fall back on so keeping large cash reserves or paying large insurance premiums is reflected in the unit price.

[gobfish1]

you have to be off your tits to even look at a new unit ,

[SoggyBottoms]

you have to be off your tits to even look at a new unit ,

you wait until the next one comes on the market. it will be nearly twice the price of a JJ-CCR and everyone says that's crazy money

[Gary]

bit like why do marine engines cost so much compared to car engines, they're all similar aren't they?!

[Woz]

Why do units cost so much?

I think they're quite cheap from an engineering perspective.

If you want expensive, ask how much one-offs are.

[Mikael]

Could there be room for a new commercial structure which removes the need for a hefty overhead to cover for potential law suits. A CCR company makes, constructs and gets tested a rebreather. It then licences the manufacture and sale of the individual parts to one or more companies. The customer then buys all the parts like a kit and assembles them. Surely then legal recourse would only happen if the individual part was faulty or failed prematurely, ie MAV fitting is wrong so won't fit the counter lung...

Just thinking out loud, there is probably a very good reason this isn't done.