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Davedagc
22-07-2013, 10:16 AM
If you are looking to by a New AP inspiration, Evolution or Evolution+, then why not come to sunny Gran Canaria, buy your unit and complete your course. The water is nice and warm for the course, so lots of in water time to perfect your skills, ready for when you go home with your unit.

Next scheduled course is the first week in September, but other dates can be arranged at your convenience.

Pm me for more information.

I look forward to hearing from you soon...

Dave


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graham_hk
22-07-2013, 12:10 PM
Probably because you'd be breaking the law bringing it back into the UK and not declaring it ...

Davedagc
22-07-2013, 12:35 PM
Probably because you'd be breaking the law bringing it back into the UK and not declaring it ...

All necessary information will be given to clients when they request further information :-)

Regards
Dave




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graham_hk
22-07-2013, 12:55 PM
Here you go: HM Revenue & Customs: Customs Duty, Excise Duty and Import VAT: introduction (http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/tax-and-duty.htm)

Quote:

For goods brought in or sent to the UK from the EU there's no extra VAT to pay unless you're ordering or sending purchased goods from one of the EU Special Territories, such as Jersey or Guernsey, in which case you'll have to pay import VAT.
The EU 'Special Territories' are The Aland Islands (Finland), The Canary Islands (Spain), The Channel Islands (UK), The French Overseas Departments of Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Martinique and Reunion and Mount Athos also known as Agion Poros (Greece).
Goods imported to the UK from outside the EU are subject to import VAT, unless they are brought in as part of your duty free allowances.

nickb
22-07-2013, 02:28 PM
So, buy in the Canaries and spend an EXTRA 7% - not such a great deal that!

Davedagc
22-07-2013, 05:15 PM
Here you go: HM Revenue & Customs: Customs Duty, Excise Duty and Import VAT: introduction (http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/tax-and-duty.htm)

Quote:

For goods brought in or sent to the UK from the EU there's no extra VAT to pay unless you're ordering or sending purchased goods from one of the EU Special Territories, such as Jersey or Guernsey, in which case you'll have to pay import VAT.
The EU 'Special Territories' are The Aland Islands (Finland), The Canary Islands (Spain), The Channel Islands (UK), The French Overseas Departments of Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Martinique and Reunion and Mount Athos also known as Agion Poros (Greece).
Goods imported to the UK from outside the EU are subject to import VAT, unless they are brought in as part of your duty free allowances.

Thanks for the link Graham, as per my previous post, I will give full details on request of further information.


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Davedagc
22-07-2013, 05:17 PM
So, buy in the Canaries and spend an EXTRA 7% - not such a great deal that!

No Nick, you will not be paying an extra 7%.

Regards
Dave


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Digger
22-07-2013, 05:56 PM
No Nick, you will not be paying an extra 7%.

Regards
Dave


Can you explain it here then? What you are suggesting must be legal, and must be ethical, after all to market your business so openly on any other basis would be a fairly bad idea. It can't be an industry secret, after all you are offering quite freely to share with anyone that cares to ask for further information.

I am asking for further information. Please can you provide it.

Digs.

Hot Totty
22-07-2013, 06:13 PM
Can you explain it here then? What you are suggesting must be legal, and must be ethical, after all to market your business so openly on any other basis would be a fairly bad idea. It can't be an industry secret, after all you are offering quite freely to share with anyone that cares to ask for further information.

I am asking for further information. Please can you provide it.

Digs.

Only if you buy a unit :p

cotochris
22-07-2013, 06:17 PM
Can you explain it here then? What you are suggesting must be legal, and must be ethical, after all to market your business so openly on any other basis would be a fairly bad idea. It can't be an industry secret, after all you are offering quite freely to share with anyone that cares to ask for further information.

I am asking for further information. Please can you provide it.

Digs.

As a businessman this is not complicated:



Dave (his business) buys equipment from UK. It is exempt from VAT as it is export.
In the Canaries (I presume) VAT rate is 7%. Dave adds the 7% VAT to the customer, whilst in the UK it is 21% (I think). Therefore customer gains 14% ( That is if same exVAT price is applied)
Client takes unit back to UK. In theory he should declare the transaction and pay the difference to Customs + charges. In practice he may not be stopped as client can say he brought it from the UK (however the customs would ask for proof - so it's not fail safe). He could also have shipped and run the same risk.


Nothing illegal there. Now other questions arise such as guarantees, if Dave is an official dealer etch.

Out of curiosity I see in the list above that Gibraltar or Andorra is not included.

graham_hk
22-07-2013, 06:19 PM
Thanks for the link Graham, as per my previous post, I will give full details on request of further information.


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You don't have to give full details I have just done it for you. Your title is misleading and encouraging people to break the law. Legally they would have to pay VAT to purchase from you, claim that back (with associated expense if it is possible) and then pay UK VAT upon landing.

Why don't you focus on the positives like the quality of your instruction or facilities and not some dodgy scheme to avoid paying VAT?

nickb
22-07-2013, 06:23 PM
Client takes unit back to UK. In theory he should declare the transaction and pay the difference to Customs + charges. In practice he may not be stopped as client can say he brought it from the UK (however the customs would ask for proof - so it's not fail safe). He could also have shipped and run the same risk.



Nothing illegal there.Aside from a bit of harmless smuggling I suppose.

cotochris
22-07-2013, 06:35 PM
Aside from a bit of harmless smuggling I suppose.

I'm in no way condoning this, just stating the facts. Dave is not doing anything illegal, it is the buyer not declaring it in customs. No different than a buyer buying an Ipad in the USA / China for example.

Now, I would not buy a rebreather this way. A rebreather is not another piece of equipment, it's a complex machinery which your life is highly dependent on it. You want the best service and assurances on after sales service. Maybe Dave does this, maybe he doesn't. I agree that advertising the sale like this doesn't sound convincing.

Besides I don't believe there is such a thing such as 'harmless smuggling'

nickb
22-07-2013, 06:57 PM
I'm in no way condoning this, just stating the facts. Dave is not doing anything illegal, it is the buyer not declaring it in customs. No different than a buyer buying an Ipad in the USA / China for example.But he is suggesting that there's a legitimate way to pay 7% VAT rather that 20% VAT and if he or his dive centre are complicit in conspiring with a customer to avoid UK tax, I'd regard that as illegal and would imagine the authorities would too.

But hey Chris, you're the businessman here so WTF do I know ;)

BTS
22-07-2013, 07:05 PM
I brought twice my duty free allowance of spirits back from Egypt... am I going to go to hell? Was the guy at the till complicit?

There is more than a little over reaction here....

Mal
22-07-2013, 07:10 PM
The OP has been edited and looks like spammage to me .... I think we can take it as his one free promotional post, notwithstanding the ethics of what is proposed but by locking the thread it will make this info available for all who seek it ;)
Mal

p.s. thanks to those of you who have provided useful info and taken it a little more seriously, as perhaps I too, should have!