Do you hog loop?

[Stumo]

Do you dive Hog Looped?

[gpj]

Yes.

Edit: every dive when using twins obviously not when using a single.

[Hot Totty]

Difficult on ccr ;)

[RobK]

Yes. You mean there are other ways? :confused:

[Roy]

Nope, I do it the other way.

[Sharpie]

Mm-hmm.

[Kiss183]

Yep.... did it every dive on twins for nearly 10 years and never strangled myself or anyone else.

[Clare]

Yes. And when diving CCR too :)

[Bomber]

do.... both on single back mount and sidemount :)

[Phil O]

Yes

[Pete Bullen]

Never used to, didn't believe it was necessary unless diving caves and penetrating wrecks but after Nigel Hewitts write up of the incident this year I have changed (never too old to learn) and now dive hog loop whether single OC or twinned up.

[BluDL]

I bungie as - being bsac - my buddies are not trained for primary take. I think it can be problematic to dive a kit config that doesnt match my or my buddies training. There are a couple of people i dive with that i could rely on to take the right reg but generally i go for same system on every dive

[Mark]

I used to, now I have a proper loop :)

[Jericho]

Yes, apart from when doing Bsac course stuff.

[MED]

Yes on the single and on the twins.

[Treerat]

No - but I do use a long hose - poll didn't ask me that!!

[dwhitlow]

I did until I saw the light and went CCR :)

[stu.graham]

Yup

[whelk]

I do for twins and singles unless I'm doing DM stuff with trainees.

[Razza]

I stuff the long hose in my bungied wing :)

[johnkendall]

Yes :)

[ootini]

Yarp, I do indeed.

[timmyg]

Yes.

Edit: every dive when using twins obviously not when using a single.

Why obviously? I hog on singles & twins (unless teaching for BSAC).

TG

[Mrs Calamity]

I can't believe no one has posted this yet :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhPDHDqDomo


Still makes me laugh every time.

[Mike]

When I can

[Bomber]

Yes.

Edit: every dive when using twins obviously not when using a single.

Why not when on a single? It still has all the same benifits

[Alastair]

Yes even when on CCR :)

[witchieblackcat]

Even when training! ;)

[DIVE BUDDHA]

I never have and never will hogloop secondry under my chin primary on a 1.5 m hose bungied on the outside of my twins for fast deployment


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[Janos]

I rarely dive a twinset now. But when I do the obvious thing to do is to invert it and dive a modified hog-loop with a 3m hose.

Janos

[John63]

Yes. All dives.

[Stevie H]

Every dive when using twins obviously not when using a single.

Wot e said - but there's no option for that one!

[Scubee]

Yes. I can't see the logic for not hog looping on twins (although I know some people can) and now I no longer teach, my single is hog looped too.

(At least, it will be, when I get back in the water)

[Dave Lev]

"Only when I'm not training" for me. However, I'm not likely to be doing much training this year, so a de-facto "Every Dive".

[ShaunUK]

Yes, every dive single and twins

Shaun

[iamyourgasman]

I was when I was using twins, not done any OC dives this year, so not. Next year I'll have some single tank OC diving in warm waters and I'll hog-loop!

[bottle maker]

I don't partly because as DO I have to follow the party line but mainly because I have never felt the need I bungy the long hose using the bungies on my wing. It works for me.

Graham

[Andy H]

No. Bungied long hose. OC and CCR.

[Suspect Device]

Yep, 7' hose on the twins and 5' hose with a 90degree elbow on the single setup.

[Stevie H]

I don't partly because as DO I have to follow the party line but mainly because I have never felt the need I bungy the long hose using the bungies on my wing. It works for me.

Graham

The "Party Line" is that you can Hog-Loop as long as you are trained and aren't taking part in a BSAC course - so the fact you are DO is irrelevant, you can hog loop if you wish!

[bottle maker]

The "Party Line" is that you can Hog-Loop as long as you are trained and aren't taking part in a BSAC course - so the fact you are DO is irrelevant, you can hog loop if you wish!

I end up instructing at short notice quite often, so it is easier to rig with bungied primary and conventional AS. If I am doing deeper OC stuff I use a necklaced backup.

You do not have to be trained in hog looping it is primary donate you must be trained in. As I learned to dive before octopuses were common I automatically primary donate in an unexpected OOG situation. This was also the response taught to me on two ERD courses so the BSAC would struggle to argue that I am not trained.

AS DO I am seen as an example so I should not encouraging members to primary donate who are not properly trained.

I do think the whole situation was totally miss managed by a few rebreather divers who did it out of dislike of GUE and DIR divers but until the recommendations change I will not actively promote primary donate to my members.

As my initial "tec" training was with IANTD who at the time preferred bungying I have stuck with this. I tried hog looping on my trymix course as the instructor said don't knock it tell you have tried it, I prefer to bungy

Graham.

[the diving tiler]

Damn thought it was some sort of recipe for cooking :)

[The Duck]

Every dive on OC - not when I use the Inspo though ;)

[Darren P]

Twins yes but less so on a single.

[Big Pimp]

No. Long yellow octopus hose on yellow reg bungeed into my wing loops

[whelk]

It's kind-of amazing how many people (relatively) have said that they always hog loop. Even at Caperwray I rarely see hog loops (and I would have thought you'd find more people giving it a try in a relatively stress-free place). Does that mean we're not representative of the average diver, or that hog looping is becoming more common?

[Davwardo]

TDF and YD are in no way representative of normal divers!!!

[whelk]

TDF and YD are in no way representative of normal divers!!!

Well, yeah--the average diver probably dives occasionally on holiday, etc etc., but I should have been more clear--what about the average UK diver who would define themselves as being a 'diver'? That is, someone who pursues diving as a hobby more than once a year? Even if you discount the number of trainees at places like Chesil and inland sites, there's still very few hog loops. I'm new to hog-looping, so I was just curious if it's getting more popular given that such a high proportion of the regulars on here seem to be all for it.

[Trumble]

All the time on twins.

Only tried it a few times on a single but was ok.

Never on the breaver !

[Woz]

Hogloop on a twinset, standard rig on a single. Occasionally bungee and clip on a twinset. I tend to dive a very flexible system rather than something rigid.

Am looking at closing the loop in 2013 :) Anyone want to teach me MOD1 for nowt?

[timmyg]

Anyone want to teach me MOD1 for nowt?

Mike Rowley lol

TG

[rivers]

Every dive, single or twins.

[Janos]

It's kind-of amazing how many people (relatively) have said that they always hog loop. Even at Caperwray I rarely see hog loops (and I would have thought you'd find more people giving it a try in a relatively stress-free place). Does that mean we're not representative of the average diver, or that hog looping is becoming more common?

Absolutely. I did a couple of polls a few years back on the BSAC forum. The first asked people what they dived, the second what people in their club dived. IIRC 90% of poll respondents dived twins or rebreathers, but they said that 90% of their club members dived singles or singles & ponies.

I'd say the average Hellfinner dives every three weeks or so from May to September, knows YD and hog-looping exist, but think you're a bit of a saddo if you spend all your time on t'internet discussing it. Clearly they're wrong on the last point!

Janos

[DesperateDan]

That's similar to my club. There are a handful of people that regularly dive a twin set on club trips, but the vast majority dive a single plus maybe a pony. And a bungied long hose is much more common than a hog loop on our boats, a short hose is even more common.

[mikey b]

Never
Just started diving twin 10s and have a normal-length primary reg and the secondary reg on a 90cm yellow hose clipped to my right chest ie usual octopus location
It's perfectly long enough to donate to a buddy but short enough that I can have a firm grip of them at the same time (not something I'd be able to do if they were on a 2/3m hose)
This was the setup advised by the dive centre I purchased my kit from, the owner of which has decades of twinset diving experience
Each to their own, I find it a comfortable,streamlined and practical setup :)

[shaun]

Its very rare that i dive hogloop now- instead i just bungy it on my wing. Suicidal i know:)

[The Duck]

... but short enough that I can have a firm grip of them at the same time (not something I'd be able to do if they were on a 2/3m hose)
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I've heard this a couple of times but I don't get it.

Whether you can get a firm grip on someone depends upon how long your arms are not on the hose length. Just because you have a 2m hose it does not mean that the OOG diver will automatically be 2m away - they need to be a lot closer to get hold of the reg in the first place. What it does do is give you the option to go further away from each other if you need to (I occasionally do - an interesting exercise at Vobbie where we go OOG inside the aircraft or wheelhouse, so you can't just go straight up. Having a long hose makes it a heck of a lot easier to get out).

[Bobco]

Bungeed against my RH cylinder, and always dive it that way.

[mikey b]

I've heard this a couple of times but I don't get it.

Whether you can get a firm grip on someone depends upon how long your arms are not on the hose length. Just because you have a 2m hose it does not mean that the OOG diver will automatically be 2m away - they need to be a lot closer to get hold of the reg in the first place. What it does do is give you the option to go further away from each other if you need to (I occasionally do - an interesting exercise at Vobbie where we go OOG inside the aircraft or wheelhouse, so you can't just go straight up. Having a long hose makes it a heck of a lot easier to get out).

Just getting used to the setup, it seems to work brilliantly in practice OOA situations with my buddy. Not tried a longer hose yet.
Used a single 12 and BCD for 1600 dives, replaced every single piece of kit last week so getting used to my 1st ever twinset plus everything else being new (in controlled conditions)
Got to say, the twins feel so much nicer and more balanced than a single. Achieving horizontal trim is really easy, finding the whole setup an absolute pleasure to use and pretty easy to get used to.
Still practicing the shutdowns but gettibg there

[The Duck]

Mikey, glad you are liking the twins :)

It is the 'a 2m hose means that the buddy is 2m away' thinking that I am questioning - it is something that I've heard a few times and it just so happened that it was your post that brought it to mind.

I can see that in a lot of situations the normal length hose will work just fine and I am not saying people should adopt the long hose without thinking it through and deciding whether it works for them and their diving.

Nor am I saying that a long hose is the panacea for all OOG problems.

However it does make life a lot easier if you are inside something (wreck or cave). It also does not prevent you from getting up close and establishing a firm grip on the OOG diver if required.

[swampy]

I always hog loop, even on a Single... Personally I don't see there is any increase in risk with a long hose over a short one and I'm sure that the BSAC is very much on its own on this matter (although I don't actually care enough to go check so may well be wrong :rolleyes: )

[MikeTonge]

Every dive unless I'm teaching a skill which requires a different configuration. I tend to try and avoid teaching skills that require me to change my kit config though.

[KOR]

Yes as that was the way I was taught so have not tired bungee, tend to dive with same buddy so both use to offering/ grabbing primary if needed.

[mark weaver]

Always on twins or single. Wife always even though she only dives singles.

[6fathoms]

I dont, but keep meaning to, i just have to fork out for a long (expensive) poseidon hose.

[MSargeant]

Yes on sidemount, only use my single set when training (octo around my neck with quick release)

[Jizz Monkey]

only when deployed and i have to restow. Otherwise i find it a pain in the a'rse, gets in the way, and complicates my kit.

[String]

Every dive single or twins. Keeps my kit nice and simple.

[stillbubbling]

Always when OC. Still trying to figure out how to hog loop the RB loop.... :p

[Garf]

This was the setup advised by the dive centre I purchased my kit from, the owner of which has decades of twinset diving experience

The long hose really comes from penetration diving where you are inside a wreck or a cave. A long hose in this sort of dive becomes absolutely invaluable. the last time I saw a real OOG I was inside nothing more adventurous than the Syclla in Plymouth. Someone came screaming up to me, and ripped out my reg. Because of where we were, if we had had to swim close in close proximity we would have had a real problem. The exit wasn't really wide enough to swim side by side through as there was crap hanging around. As it was I just pushed her out of the exit and followed behind her, which is precisely what a 2 metre hose is for. We then ascended relatively stress free, with one of us either side of a shot line. We didn't need to be in each other's faces. I appreciate that sometimes you need to take a tight grip, but sometimes once the OOG is dealt with, the problem is over.

The way you have been taught sounds like your dive shop owner has simply taken a "standard" short hose configuration used for recreational diving, and applied it to a more technical configuration. It's best for when there is a clear ascent to the surface. As long as you are just going to dive a bit longer, or a bit deeper, then this doesn't really matter. However, if you are going to start sticking your head inside wrecks, then you need to have a real think about the advice you are getting from your LDS. Most technical instructors will agree that a long hose gives more options, and can relieve stress when ascending OOG as you have more room to do things like put up SMBs. There aren't really a lot of arguments AGAINST a long hose, except perhaps that it's something new to purchase and work out where to put.

[Graham Smith]

There aren't really a lot of arguments AGAINST a long hose,

.....But BSAC continue to work on finding them....... ;)


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[The Duck]

.....But BSAC continue to work on finding them....... ;)


G

To be fair they don't go against long hoses, just a very popular way of stowing them ;)

[bottle maker]

To be fair they don't go against long hoses, just a very popular way of stowing them ;)

It is not hog looping that the BSAC are against it is primary donate they do not want taught.

Graham.

[RobK]

To be fair they don't go against long hoses, just a very popular way of stowing them ;)

Indeed and to be fair it mostly seems to be certain sections of the higher echelons who's don't like that popular way of stowing them.

The rest of us just dive them and ignore the politics.

[paulnlowry]

Agreed, Politics and ReligionI ignore thtm both and just go diving.:o

[AndrewRawlingson]

No. I normally dive solo, so no one to donate to :)