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JonG
09-10-2018, 05:47 AM
Who carries one during a dive, who doesn't and who has ever needed one.

I used to but never needed it and haven't since I re-started on the basis that despite hundreds of dives of my own multiplied by the buddies I used to dive with I have never needed one myself and never seen anyone need a spare.

Energy58
09-10-2018, 06:00 AM
Who carries one during a dive, who doesn't and who has ever needed one.

I used to but never needed it and haven't since I re-started on the basis that despite hundreds of dives of my own multiplied by the buddies I used to dive with I have never needed one myself and never seen anyone need a spare.

I do on deeper dives because being effectively blind with a reasonable deco obligation would be a Bad Thing and like you I have never seen one used "in anger" but you never know...

jb2cool
09-10-2018, 06:12 AM
I carry one on every dive. Not needed it Underwater but have needed it twice on the surface just before a dive

John63
09-10-2018, 06:44 AM
I carry one on every dive that has overhead, deco or working (eg ghost net removable, recovery dives etc)

For all other (shallow) dives I tend not to bother

Chrisch
09-10-2018, 06:59 AM
We were taught to do it on the trimix course and I carried one (between us as a buddy pair) for a while. Don't bother now. There is a spare mask each in the kit bag and room in my pocket if I really felt there was a reason to do it. I can see how it would be shite to have to do long deco without a mask, but it does seem a very long shot that you find yourself without one.

dwhitlow
09-10-2018, 07:34 AM
I carry a spare mask on every dive as I don't fancy the prospect of an ascent without being able to see my depth or my ppo2. Other than on courses, and during (occasional) drills, I have never swapped to my backup mask.

I put the idea of not carrying a spare mask (and SMB) in the same place not having any insurance. If you are thinking of not carrying a spare mask then I guess it comes down to how lucky you feel :rofl:

I've used insurance policies and I've used my spare SMB and I've found knowing the backup mask is in the pocket reassuring on those occasions when I've struggled to resolve a flooding mask. So far, on those occasions, removing and reseating the existing mask has sufficed.

Nickpicks
09-10-2018, 07:51 AM
I carry a spare mask in the right hand pocket along with the spare dsmb. Never needed to use it 'in anger' but wouldn't want to need it when it's 30m above me on the boat.

bottle maker
09-10-2018, 08:07 AM
I do not have a spare mask. I have two masks one on my face one either in a pocket on the surface depending on the dive but mostly in my pocket. I have lent it to buddies before when they have had mask problems of their own. I have swapped my mask when I could not stop it leaking. Like all safety equipment it is only any use if you are practiced in using it. If you do not have the confidence to change mask at the maximum depth of your dive you should consider if you should be that deep.

Graham.

nigel hewitt
09-10-2018, 08:18 AM
I carry one.
I have needed it once and given it to another diver once in the water and twice in the boat.

Iain Smith
09-10-2018, 08:23 AM
Who carries one during a dive, who doesn't and who has ever needed one.

I used to but never needed it and haven't since I re-started on the basis that despite hundreds of dives of my own multiplied by the buddies I used to dive with I have never needed one myself and never seen anyone need a spare.

I carry one on every dive - for the deeper or cave dives, because it would be a serious PITA to be a long way from home and unable to see. My “old style” Tech 1 course included “hump day” - a blind, gas sharing ascent from 45m including a gas switch for which one was entirely reliant one’s buddy. (I’m told this is no longer done!) I’ll very happily sacrifice a little space in my right thigh pocket than have to do that in anger! I also scooter dive. Even on my “prehistoric” Gavins, at high speed there’s enough flow to wash a mask off in the wrong circumstances.

For shallow stuff, the spare lives in the same mask box as my main - stowing it in the pocket is pretty much a reflex - and I’m much more likely to practice a mask swap on a shallow dive than on a deep or cave dive.

AndrewRawlingson
09-10-2018, 08:42 AM
I carried a spare mask for many years as a new convert to solo diving. As time has gone on, my diving has got tamer (no deco and shallower), so don't bother most of the time.

Mikael
09-10-2018, 08:57 AM
I carry a spare on every UK dive. Only once did I have to swap because I couldn't stop my main mask from leaking. My backup misted up badly straightway. I was left little choice but to constantly flood and clear it to keep even limited vision. It was like trying to dive by peaking through a blurry keyhole.

That was tricky as I was leading the dive on a new site heading towards a different exit from our entry. Fortunately it happened towards the end so I managed to get us close enough, surfaced and got our bearings before swimming the last bit.

Back up was a Hollis that hadn't been used much and in my experience I find they mist up very easily when new. Subsequently I went at with a lighter which I find is the best way to remove that residual film you get on masks.

OrangeHead
09-10-2018, 08:59 AM
I always have a second mask in my pocket. The only time I've used it in anger was when a strap broke while almost fully kitted-up on a rib - that would have been a real pain otherwise. I guess that /could/ happen underwater. I nearly lost my mask once in Capers when somebody's student kicked it. You could lose one to a seal... :) Anyway (to pick up dwhitlow's insurance analogy), it seems like a small premium to me.

Steve C
09-10-2018, 09:06 AM
Carry a spare
1. All CCR dives
2. Any time I could not do a direct ascent to surface
3. Any time I am instructing

Used it twice .. both with students who broke mask straps doing mask drills

Vanny
09-10-2018, 09:35 AM
I have 2 identical masks. Always have one in my pocket but never needed it. Being bifocal I don’t think a buddy would enjoy it much but better than nothing, carried for me though not anyone else.

NWdiver
09-10-2018, 09:36 AM
Echoing other comments here...

I have two identical masks, I clip them together on the same boltsnap after a dive. Then, come the next dive, I take one off to wear and put the other in my pocket with the boltsnap. They both get equal wear. That way I know they haven't disintegrated in a pocket over the years.

I'm comfortable switching masks etc, but I know that a maskless ascent, even without deco, would stress me out. I certainly wouldn't want to attempt it on a CCR.

However, I dive with plenty of people that don't carry one. Even more that carry a ten year old mask, that they replaced because it didn't fit, as a backup.

Chrisch
09-10-2018, 10:00 AM
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However, I dive with plenty of people that don't carry one. Even more that carry a ten year old mask, that they replaced because it didn't fit, as a backup.

I guess it is how comfortable you are with a poor fitting mask. Just to ascend and stop pretty much anything is OK. As a replacement for the day if the other has broken it is less so. Personally I am OK with nearly any mask and have never really been that fussed. As to a spare we have a few of the 5 quid Decathlon ones kicking about. They seem as good as most of the "proper" (expensive) ones.

https://www.decathlon.co.uk/500-a-snorkelling-mask-grey-id_8491466.html

Tel
09-10-2018, 10:03 AM
I carry a spare one. Started to do that after what would have been a stunning blue-water dive was messed
up by a favourite mask that had decided to auto-destruct. That went n the bin and I bought two masks :)

I've never needed it since, but then I've never needed the likes of a seat belt to do it's job :p
You never need these things until you do and then you REALLY need them.

graham_hk
09-10-2018, 10:18 AM
For me I could do multi hour deco without a mask but it would be a pain. Its extremely unlikely but there is close to zero hassle of carrying a mask and I have used it several times at surface for myself and others (dropping mask)

WFO
09-10-2018, 10:49 AM
Yes I have a spare one in pocket.
It was always a worry for me that I would feel rising panic if getting water up my nose.
Don't get me wrong I could do a mask remove/swap/no mask swim etc but it was a mental battle that I was worried I might lose if I was already somewhere in the shit rather than doing it for training!

It took spending an hour or so doing mask drills with head in a bucket of water in the kitchen with water temperature gradually decreased, then moving on to doing same in crapnpay.
Took quite a bit of doing but it's made me a lot more confident that now I can say I'm pretty happy with no mask on. Worst thing is brainfreeze/ice cream headache. When I did a mask off in Loch Long in February it made me go "fnnnnnnnaaaarrrrghhh"

So much of this diving lark is all in your head, I had not realised how much my mental niggle about masks was affecting my overall confidence until I fixed the problem.

M-J-J
09-10-2018, 10:50 AM
Yeah I carry two identical masks, the back up is in my left 'Oh s@!t' pocket on a bungee and boltsnap.

Reach down and pull the bungie out so all kit is accessible and then get the problem sorted.

I leave the mask hanging by the bungie to remind me that I need to prepare the mask with anti fog at the same time as my primary.

Never needed it, but it takes up a small amount of space, I place my spare SMB and back up torch inside the mask anyway to save space and ensure it all comes out smoothly.

stuart_m
09-10-2018, 11:53 AM
Yes I have a spare one in pocket.
It was always a worry for me that I would feel rising panic if getting water up my nose.
Don't get me wrong I could do a mask remove/swap/no mask swim etc but it was a mental battle that I was worried I might lose if I was already somewhere in the shit rather than doing it for training!

It took spending an hour or so doing mask drills with head in a bucket of water in the kitchen with water temperature gradually decreased, then moving on to doing same in crapnpay.
Took quite a bit of doing but it's made me a lot more confident that now I can say I'm pretty happy with no mask on. Worst thing is brainfreeze/ice cream headache. When I did a mask off in Loch Long in February it made me go "fnnnnnnnaaaarrrrghhh"

So much of this diving lark is all in your head, I had not realised how much my mental niggle about masks was affecting my overall confidence until I fixed the problem.

I always carry a mask in a pocket, on every dive. have done ever since my buddy's fell to pieces at around 20 metres and we had to bin the dive as a result. Have never had to use it in anger, but like others have said on here it's like an insurance policy and not particularly onerous to stick on in the pocket before going in. Again like others, I have two masks - one goes on my face and one goes in the pocket, they both get regular use.

I used to have similar challenges with doing mask drills, but like you I've overcome them in time. We now do them, along with other drills like disconnecting & reconnecting inflator hoses, as a matter of course at the end of every dive when we're doing our safety stop. One of my buddies is ex-forces and he summed it up best by saying that the more you practice a skill, the easier it'll be to do when you really need it.

graham_hk
09-10-2018, 12:04 PM
I always carry a mask in a pocket, on every dive. have done ever since my buddy's fell to pieces at around 20 metres and we had to bin the dive as a result. Have never had to use it in anger,


Actually thats an excellent point - I always focused on finishing dive deco wise but continuing dive is a much stronger reason.

Chrisch
09-10-2018, 12:08 PM
I always carry a mask in a pocket, on every dive. have done ever since my buddy's fell to pieces at around 20 metres and we had to bin the dive as a result. ...

As well as Graham's excellent observation on that it made me wonder how many of us that are "belt and braces" end up having a spare item principally to cover the other party so we get to dive ourselves? I'm lucky my dive buddy is my partner and I sort the kit for both of us so if she is missing something it is my fault anyway. Actually thinking about it everything is my fault... :)

JonG
09-10-2018, 12:10 PM
Looks like I am going to need bigger pockets. I used to use my Apnea mask but doesn't fit anymore for some reason. I do try and mitigate risk by wearing mask strap under hood/hoods as I have a gag strap, but I guess there could be that 1 time.

Hot Totty
09-10-2018, 12:20 PM
Nope, stick hood over mask strap so even if the strap breaks it’s still there. I’ll admit to taking a chance that the lens might fall out but I’ve pockets full of other stuff that gets used on a more frequent basis and it’s impossible to mitigate every risk some you just have to accept

graham_hk
09-10-2018, 01:22 PM
Nope, stick hood over mask strap so even if the strap breaks it’s still there. I’ll admit to taking a chance that the lens might fall out but I’ve pockets full of other stuff that gets used on a more frequent basis and it’s impossible to mitigate every risk some you just have to accept

Dive in cold enough water and you'll soon have your strap on outside Rik ;)

JonG
09-10-2018, 01:36 PM
Why Graham, I have always dived like that, incl. in freshwater over winter, if hood fits well enough there is minimal ingress, I do tend to double up hoods in winter tho

w3dge
09-10-2018, 01:43 PM
I always carry a spare mask also. Its a small chore that could potentially save a very bad day.

Hot Totty
09-10-2018, 01:58 PM
Dive in cold enough water and you'll soon have your strap on outside Rik ;)

Managed 2hr 45 in 4’c like that - gets chilly if I have to demo a mask drill

jamesp
09-10-2018, 02:09 PM
Managed 2hr 45 in 4’c like that - gets chilly if I have to demo a mask drill

Which is what he meant.

Hot Totty
09-10-2018, 02:20 PM
Which is what he meant.

But it’s transient, and everything feels warmer after. Anyhow it’s a personal choice and I have personally no problems with it, other parts of me feel the cold but my head less so - possibly coz there’s nothing going on up there;)

Mark Chase
09-10-2018, 02:38 PM
Always carried a spare on mix dives OC and CCR.

Used it one on the Rotarour (SP) in about 2003 :D


Jumped in and mask constantly flooded on the way down. Turned out it had a small split

Switched to spare on the bottom and had a great dive with Dude and AndyP

graham_hk
09-10-2018, 02:41 PM
Why Graham, I have always dived like that, incl. in freshwater over winter, if hood fits well enough there is minimal ingress, I do tend to double up hoods in winter tho

because the straps act like wicks for the water. In my experience straps inside is a pain in ass - but seems at least two of you have a different experience ;)

Divemouse
09-10-2018, 02:58 PM
Nope, but then I'm happy to have my eyes open in the sea and can see reasonably well - I've done gormless stuff like going in without one a few times and vaguely wondered why my buddy kept pointing. I don't tend to do any deco though.

Mark Chase
09-10-2018, 03:46 PM
nope, but then i'm happy to have my eyes open in the sea and can see reasonably well - i've done gormless stuff like going in without one a few times and vaguely wondered why my buddy kept pointing. I don't tend to do any deco though.

wtf??????

MikeF
09-10-2018, 03:50 PM
because the straps act like wicks for the water. In my experience straps inside is a pain in ass - but seems at least two of you have a different experience ;)

three. I dive with the strap inside the hood and have never really noticed any cold bits.

and I have jumped in with about a 15mm split in the mask skirt that someone had kindly stood / sat on. I didn't have a spare mask and it was a PITA but I still managed to do the dive by breathing out of my nose a lot, but it wouldn't have carried on had it been on CCR.

PhilPage
09-10-2018, 03:59 PM
Every dive. Lives in my right thigh pocket. I haven't needed it underwater yet (though I do drill swapping every now & then), but it has saved a dive for several buddies/students (flooding/misting/broken/forgotten masks).

Mark Chase
09-10-2018, 04:11 PM
I have never used the air bags on any car I have owned ;)

Wibs
09-10-2018, 05:18 PM
I carry one on every dive. Never needed it thus far, although who knows when I will need it.

My drysuit zip broke on a trip to Oban last month. First day of 6. Oh joy. Had to rent a suit which had no pockets (and no pee valve, no heater cable, no drygloves...), so nowhere to put the mask. Hated diving without one but never needed it.

It's insurance. I'll probably never need it. But if I do, it'll be in my RH pocket along with my wetnotes (also seldom used) and SMB on spool (used on most dives).

Spirit of Guernsey
09-10-2018, 06:22 PM
A couple of years ago, my advancing years meant that I needed a bifocal prescription mask. As I didn't want to risk losing it, I started putting the strap under my hood. Didn't feel any colder, but is more comfortable and leaks less. I still carry a spare in my thigh pocket, needed it once when my mask drifted away on ascent.

gobfish1
09-10-2018, 06:28 PM
never needed to use a back up mask , but thinks its best to have a back up just on the off chance its needed ,

Alex Denny
09-10-2018, 06:31 PM
I always carry a spare. I can also see reasonably well underwater but I’ve never managed to do a dive without noticing not having a mask!!!

I have used a spare in anger. I was on a wreck survey with NAS. Jumped in and my primary kept flooding. Turned out a lens had popped out of the skirt a little. Swapped to the backup and managed 90 minutes of a great survey.

You never need one. Until you do.

Ian_6301
09-10-2018, 06:42 PM
Always carry a spare, never needed it yet... I have seen a buddy use his on a dive after the strap broke. Minor drama, but at 48m, it could have been a different story.

Janos
09-10-2018, 09:00 PM
I've swapped to a spare after getting to the bottom of the shot and having a constantly flooding mask. A tiny tear in the skirt was the culprit. Not life threatening but it would have been irritating.

Janos

Wibs
09-10-2018, 11:08 PM
That's enough; have aliens landed and taken over this forum?

This is the first time I've ever seen a consensus on TDF!

BenL
10-10-2018, 12:40 AM
More consensus here, I'm afraid... I've carried one since 2005, when I hit my mate up for his spare after my mask just wouldn't clear after just starting a drift out of Sharm. Turns out one corner of one of the lenses got pinched out of the silicone skirt but didn't know this at the time, and was very grateful for the assist. Never needed it since, but it does mean I get laughed at on warm-water trips for wearing my silly wetsuit cargo-knickers. I'm over it now. :D

Hot Totty
10-10-2018, 06:33 AM
That's enough; have aliens landed and taken over this forum?

This is the first time I've ever seen a consensus on TDF!

Consensus!!!! There’s at least two dissidents:p

PhilPage
10-10-2018, 08:30 AM
That's enough; have aliens landed and taken over this forum?

This is the first time I've ever seen a consensus on TDF!
So it's now: "Buy a rebreather, do fundies & carry a spare mask"?

matt
10-10-2018, 09:40 AM
I don't carry one. I used to but when my mate actually needed his it didn't work. The main mask strap broke and the spare mask fogged so bad (despite having been treated) that it was simpler to hold the old mask in place for the ascent.

Suggest you try it in cold water at depth and check it works - pretty pointless having it otherwise.

Matt.

Big Joe
10-10-2018, 09:43 AM
Definitely must be miss posted - it's about diving!!!!

PhilPage
10-10-2018, 10:41 AM
I don't carry one. I used to but when my mate actually needed his it didn't work. The main mask strap broke and the spare mask fogged so bad (despite having been treated) that it was simpler to hold the old mask in place for the ascent.

Suggest you try it in cold water at depth and check it works - pretty pointless having it otherwise.

Matt.
*Sigh*

And we were doing so well :D

DarrenA
10-10-2018, 12:50 PM
Always carry a spare. I have adjusted lenses for bad eyesight so I need a spare with me anyway. I swap them around every few months. Its in a pocket on my right and serves as a perfect place to put the long hose.

So, have used it a few times i.e. I have needed another mask cos the other had a broken strap etc. but outside of practise or training, never in anger underwater.

However, as already mentioned, if you carry a spare and dont clean it beforehand, it will mist up immediately when you need it.

BenL
10-10-2018, 01:02 PM
That's enough; have aliens landed and taken over this forum?

This is the first time I've ever seen a consensus on TDF!


Consensus!!!! There’s at least two dissidents:p


*Sigh*

And we were doing so well :D

Let's call it a quorum then. Still an achievement! :D

WFO
10-10-2018, 04:08 PM
Why Graham, I have always dived like that, incl. in freshwater over winter, if hood fits well enough there is minimal ingress, I do tend to double up hoods in winter tho

I tried this and didn't get on with it, I think the mask strap tensioner/buckle things were inside the hood. Maybe the cut of the hood? I don't trim the face hole on mine I like it to overlap the mask skirt as much as possible, in fact it would probably hold the mask in place a bit even without strap (must try this, actually...).

Anyway, with hood over mask I was bloody freezing, it ducted a lot of freezing cold water right over my temples.


I don't have any problem using a gag strap on the unit with my mask fitted normally either, although pulling the strap over the top of the mask without loosening it first isn't really an option, though I don't need to do this to switch to offboard so I don't worry about it.

Badger
11-10-2018, 07:02 AM
I've been through three masks on a dive, do I get a badge?

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jturner
11-10-2018, 07:38 AM
I've been through three masks on a dive, do I get a badge?

No, you get a lot of free banter and piss-taking, and a course in "How to be less clumsy"!

graham_hk
11-10-2018, 08:36 AM
I've been through three masks on a dive, do I get a badge?

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Thats not the only thing you've been through three times is it mate :D :D :D

MinimalMayhem
11-10-2018, 08:45 AM
I tried this and didn't get on with it, I think the mask strap tensioner/buckle things were inside the hood. Maybe the cut of the hood? I don't trim the face hole on mine I like it to overlap the mask skirt as much as possible, in fact it would probably hold the mask in place a bit even without strap (must try this, actually...).

Anyway, with hood over mask I was bloody freezing, it ducted a lot of freezing cold water right over my temples.


I don't have any problem using a gag strap on the unit with my mask fitted normally either, although pulling the strap over the top of the mask without loosening it first isn't really an option, though I don't need to do this to switch to offboard so I don't worry about it.

I use one of those velcro mask straps with a big neoprene bit on the back, which works very well under a hood - I find that the velcro bit that goes under the hood (just in front of your temples) doesn't feed cold water in at all, perhaps it is a bit thinner/compresses better than a normal mask strap.

The Duck
12-10-2018, 11:49 AM
Also carry a spare mask - I do it out of habit now so it's all dives.

Whilst I have not had to use my back up, I was on a dive where the lens fell out of my buddies mask (whilst descending) and they had to swap over masks. Once swapped over we carried on the dive with no further issues.

Suspect Device
19-10-2018, 07:55 PM
Yep, carry a spare mask and never needed to use it, other than a drill.

SimonK
20-10-2018, 11:05 AM
A story on RBW from a few years ago
http://www.rebreatherworld.com/showthread.php?5747-Salt-water-stings-your-eyes-after-a-while.

Alex Denny
21-10-2018, 05:25 AM
A story on RBW from a few years ago
http://www.rebreatherworld.com/showthread.php?5747-Salt-water-stings-your-eyes-after-a-while.

They should have this as a challenge on that “Master Diver Challenge” tv show from the other thread! ;-)

Blind ascent from 105m using nothing but your mind as a depth gauge and deco timer! Hah!!

Mark Chase
30-10-2018, 07:30 AM
I've been through three masks on a dive, do I get a badge?

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Your not borrowing one of my Masks :D

Ian_6301
30-10-2018, 12:39 PM
I've been through three masks on a dive, do I get a badge?

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As Hot Totty will atest, I have had a GUE instructor break my mask during a predive briefing...

Ian_6301
30-10-2018, 12:39 PM
As Hot Totty will atest, I have had a GUE break my mask during a predive briefing...

But then he offered me a BJ, so it was all good.