OSEL iCCR

[jturner]

Only another year or so before we're all saved: "At this time we are anticipating that the iCCR Monitor fitted with solid state O2 sensors operating alongside traditional galvanic O2 sensors and end-tidal CO2 monitoring will resume shipping by the end of 2018".

http://www.opensafety.co.uk/files/OSEL-Rebreather-Newsletter-Number22-20171201.pdf

[jamesp]

Resume?

[nigel hewitt]

We'll hang ourselves tomorrow...
...unless Godot comes.

[gobfish1]

The killer sticky o2 button has been sorted

A customer has had an Apoc oxygen injector fail twice,
This problem was traced to use of contaminated oxygen.
Divers generally take care to avoid contaminated gas or cylinders: it is a safety hazard.
Oxygen cylinders must be free of detritus, including salt, rust, lol

Seem,s the customer is always wrong attitude , is still going strong at Open shite equipment ltd .

Mr dea,s will soon be the richest man in Portugal,


(this time next year Rodney edit Brad were going to be Millionaires ) :grin:

[ziggi]

Beetlejuice

[Paul Evans]

Mr dea,s will soon be the richest man in Portugal,




Can you imagine the poor schmucks who put the money up for the auto BCD ??? I bet Deas is on their christmas card list.............:swear:

[Alby R]

FFS gobbers

shut up will you otherwise bralex will be back spouting more total shite.

alby :grin:





The killer sticky o2 button has been sorted

A customer has had an Apoc oxygen injector fail twice,
This problem was traced to use of contaminated oxygen.
Divers generally take care to avoid contaminated gas or cylinders: it is a safety hazard.
Oxygen cylinders must be free of detritus, including salt, rust, lol

Seem,s the customer is always wrong attitude , is still going strong at Open shite equipment ltd .





Mr dea,s will soon be the richest man in Portugal,


(this time next year Rodney edit Brad were going to be Millionaires ) :grin:

[jturner]

shut up will you otherwise bralex will be back spouting more total shite.

"...delved too greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness..."

https://youtu.be/YH4Xr6GIp4U?t=4m3s

[gobfish1]

We moved our service centre from Glasgow in Q1 2017 in order to set up a dedicated Apocalypse
Rebreather service facility. Service times were extended substantially during this move, but are now
back on schedule. Normal service lead time for our recreational products is 6 weeks on recreational
dive products and on professional products within the declared service times.


love the useless Information they post ,

Tell me something useful if you have moved why not say were feeking to ,

Ie the back room of dea,s 4 bed Portuguese villa :clap:


normal service lol no feeker would send kit back, after waiting for 5 years to get it

[Darren A]

Beetlejuice

Beetlejuice

[iain/hsm]

Only another year or so before we're all saved: "At this time we are anticipating that the iCCR Monitor fitted with solid state O2 sensors operating alongside traditional galvanic O2 sensors and end-tidal CO2 monitoring will resume shipping by the end of 2018".

http://www.opensafety.co.uk/files/OSEL-Rebreather-Newsletter-Number22-20171201.pdf

Not all are saved, but I guess you know that already. Nice find mind.

An interesting opening statement they make: “We own all our IP for our surface supplied rebreather”
It doesn’t work on a sports divers forum but it does answer a number of professional diving questions.

EN14143, NORSOK U101 and IEC 61508 at the SIL 3 level again shows they are still moving ahead with the big picture plan.

Saturation Breathing simulators another “big stick” in the professional diving market.

ISO 9001:2008 to 2015 as well as 14001 shows the direction they are moving in and IEC EN 61508
with ATEX and Ex compliance will make it a full house.

Nine years has it been that long and still no one can beat 1.44j/L shame.
Makes the solid state sensor almost a piece of cake for them. Well done.

You may laugh at them and try and deride them from your position.
But just goes to show It takes continued skills to make state of the art diving stuff work.

When you have designed as much, built as much and innovated as much.
Then you can laugh.

In your case, you haven’t............ then all you can do is wait. :blush:

[jturner]

Not all are saved, but I guess you know that already. Nice find mind.

An interesting opening statement they make: “We own all our IP for our surface supplied rebreather”
It doesn’t work on a sports divers forum but it does answer a number of professional diving questions.

EN14143, NORSOK U101 and IEC 61508 at the SIL 3 level again shows they are still moving ahead with the big picture plan.

Saturation Breathing simulators another “big stick” in the professional diving market.

ISO 9001:2008 to 2015 as well as 14001 shows the direction they are moving in and IEC EN 61508
with ATEX and Ex compliance will make it a full house.

Nine years has it been that long and still no one can beat 1.44j/L shame.
Makes the solid state sensor almost a piece of cake for them. Well done.

You may laugh at them and try and deride them from your position.
But just goes to show It takes continued skills to make state of the art diving stuff work.

When you have designed as much, built as much and innovated as much.
Then you can laugh.

In your case, you haven’t............ then all you can do is wait. :blush:

I know you love your messiahs Iain but this is a bit much, even from you. I can hear you hyperventilating from here. And what is my position that you refer to? Potential customer would be an accurate description. In fact, if OSEL have got real end-tidal CO2 monitoring working, I'll happily admit it was worth the wait. By real, I mean one that would actually measure end tidal CO2. Sadly, they often "exaggerate" somewhat... so I guess we'll have to keep waiting.

[simon mitchell]

You may laugh at them and try and deride them from your position.
But just goes to show It takes continued skills to make state of the art diving stuff work.

Iain,

I had prepared a post with all of OSELs greatest hits over the years that essentially demonstrate that your optimism and idolatry are somewhat misplaced. But let's leave that till later if necessary.

Perhaps for now I should offer to independently test the ability of this rebreather to accurately measure end tidal CO2. If they really think they have nailed it, what have they got to lose?

Simon M

[Paul Evans]

I hear Technip have gone with the Divex Cobra on their latest DSV's

Just saying :angel:

[jamesp]

I hear Technip have gone with the Divex Cobra on their latest DSV's

Just saying :angel:

Is it April 1st all ready?

[gobfish1]

I hear Technip have gone with the Divex Cobra on their latest DSV's

Just saying :angel:

:grin:

[SoggyBottoms]

500 msw!

"Baldrick, my brown pantaloons"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6Isp62K5k

[Brad_Horn]

I hear Technip have gone with the Divex Cobra on their latest DSV's

Just saying :angel:

Paul,

Indeed they have. The Cobra is probably the premium secondary life support system available for commercial use!

OSEL is the European supplier for Micropore EACs; of which the Cobra is designed around.

Regards
Brad

[Paul Evans]

Reduced to selling consumables to the compition.

Tell me Brad, can I buy extend air cartridges anywhere else in Europe?

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[Doomanic]

Beetlejuice

Beetlejuice
Beetleju.....

Damn, too late.

[iain/hsm]

500 msw!

"Baldrick, my brown pantaloons"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6Isp62K5k

You know what really angers me about saturation diving today..........It's shown in this video.
Fit young men standing around and poking about with stuff they know little about, one even had his hands in his pockets while that poor old boy has to pretty much dress himself and gets do all the work.

Just typical of young folk today stand around idle chewing gum and let that poor old man lift that heavy helmet and do all the work himself.
Should be ashamed of themselves. :grin:

[gobfish1]

Paul,

Indeed they have. The Cobra is probably the premium secondary life support system available for commercial use!

OSEL is the European supplier for Micropore EACs; of which the Cobra is designed around.

Regards
Brad

You can only put so much real estate on a dives back, and if that space is used for the SECONDAY life support , then its safe to say your fooked .

Ps
If no bail out and rotowink says all,s good ,
How often are your eac.s :x: / consumables replaced , 3 units per bell. may keep you both in cheap court shoe,s
Just more wordsmithery and bollox .

Pdf on the extend air cartridges please.
along with a pdf with the avg number of bailouts per year in commercial sat diving lol

talk about getting bit in the arse ,:grin:

Brad
Think i read,
that a part used micropore EAC can sit in the arse end of a apox for two week,s and still be used. So id think one EAC that,s unused would OUT last a 3 week sat run.
you could be looking at making 45 quid off the back of a several million pound sat job , :clap:

[Alby R]

so you have all done it again you have woken Bralex you fools get ready for more rubbish.

Bralex tell me again when are the electronics being supplied to the EA's, pipe dreams live on.

alby

[gobfish1]

Brad also wanted to ask if you could say how the online training/annual tune up was going.

Only ask as iv seen no apox divers out and about this year did they all fail

Your Apocalypse Type IV iCCR carries out a set of checks each time you
use it. Those checks may indicate a fault. If you cannot correct the fault
yourself, without using tools, then return the unit to a factory appointed
service centre.
Material and design faults are covered by warranty for the
life of the product, where the rebreather has been
properly maintained.
The electronics and the gas system of the rebreather has to be returned once
a year for a factory service.
This replaces O Rings, replaces the oxygen sensors, checks the unit, and performs any safety upgrades that may not have warranted a recall. There is a charge for the
annual service.
You too need an annual tune up: you will need to go on line to
www.deadlife.co.uk/training.php and enter your unit serial number, then it will provide any updates you need and reminders through a short Question-Answer form.
The On-line training will verify your contact details should we need to do a
product recall or field upgrade, and then ask some questions to remind you
of the theory needed to use your rebreather safely,including a simulated
dive with faults. You should assign 30 minutes to this process.
When you pass the skills reminder, and then enter the PIN code into your iCCR for
another happy year of diving.
If you leave the On-line training for more than 18 months then your iCCR monitor will not function: it will warn you of this
.
If you fail the on-line training, then suitable self-study training material will
be sent to you, which may include .MPG videos or parts of manuals. Study
that and retry: the questions will be different but themes the same. If you
fail this, then you need to contact an instructor to retrain you and enable your unit.
For your own safety, and that of your dive buddy, if the factory service
reveals particularly dangerous dive practices, then you may be asked to take a more rigorous skills test.

Talk about delusions of grandeur lol

feeking megalomaniac

[notdeadyet]

Where is the factory these days?

How many Scottish jobs did your sugar daddy's vanity project create with all that cash you got off Holyrood?

[drysuitdiver]

Is there any PDFs ?


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[jturner]

..........
You too need an annual tune up: you will need to go on line to
www.deadlife.co.uk/training.php (http://www.deadlife.co.uk/training.php) and enter your unit serial number, then it will provide any updates you need and reminders through a short Question-Answer form.
The On-line training will verify your contact details should we need to do a product recall or field upgrade, and then ask some questions to remind you of the theory needed to use your rebreather safely,including a simulated dive with faults.

Freudian slip on the link perhaps?! Dead project indeed.

[matt]

This is brilliant, subscribing to this thread now!

Think I got in at #28, let's see how it goes :-)

A new PDF, lol. Nice to see the unreleased iCCR is being updated, in secret, with no sales or customers.

In case it changes I've based this gem paragraph here. Let's wait for Brad or Alex (assume he is banned though).

When will we get the answer to the end-tidal question posed 10 years ago on Yorkshire-Divers?

Matt.



5. iCCR Monitor Shipping StatusOur iCCR Monitor is the only product we have on hold – all other products that have passed certificationare in production and are shipping.Our iCCR is fully CE and Functional Safety certified. It is on hold simply because we identified anadditional hazard in field data from accident analysis of recreational rebreather fatalities on a thirdparty's rebreather. That hazard is the user ignoring a reported NO DIVE status and diving due to beingin a remote location that has taken a lot of effort to reach, at high cost, along with a good measureof peer pressure. As a result of more than one of these incidents, we made the decision to upgradethe actuator mechanism in the ALVBOV to deal with this new issue, before we sent large numbers ofiCCRs out. This has been done and we have been working through the rest of the functional safetyprocess with regard to that change.At this time we are anticipating that the iCCR Monitor fitted with solid state O2 sensors operatingalongside traditional galvanic O2 sensors and end-tidal CO2 monitoring will resume shipping by theend of 2018.We have refunded all iCCR Early Adopter (EA) who requested this. All iCCR EAs can also switch toany of our other products, at heavily discounted rates, just by contacting our support team.

[gobfish1]

The then and now


Training dea.s


It was DC taught me, and Mark Reeves, ,
Now I ignored my training as soon as I received it, :rofl:

another gem from 2005,

[jturner]

Could this be the reason for the new posts? A new revolutionary CCR on the market (available for almost no one)...

https://phys.org/news/2018-05-deep-rebreather-navy-divers-beneath.html

Or not!

[Paulo]

There are new posts?

[Paul Evans]

Inconel spheres?

Kevin has just sold a unused one I believe. Rocking horse pooh these days........

That breather looks like a few that have preceded it. its hardly a radical design, NDY dives something similar.

[notdeadyet]

Has there been any radical rebreather designs in the last 20 years?

The only thing I think was a bit of a new idea was Gordon Smith selling a DIY kit of parts. Everything else has been polishing a turd over and over. The JJ just did commercially what homebuilders had done for years and apparently that passed as innovation.

I suppose the Pox was innovative. A rebreather made entirely from PDF's and used a list of dead divers as marketing. That was new.

[jamesp]

Has there been any radical rebreather designs in the last 20 years?

The only thing I think was a bit of a new idea was Gordon Smith selling a DIY kit of parts. Everything else has been polishing a turd over and over. The JJ just did commercially what homebuilders had done for years and apparently that passed as innovation.

I suppose the Pox was innovative. A rebreather made entirely from PDF's and used a list of dead divers as marketing. That was new.

Could of used MDF for the chances of seeing one get wet.

[jturner]

There are new posts?

On various CCR forums, yes. Lots of old science posts. Last time this happened, it was "revealed" that water on cell faces can cause problems. That may or may not have been something to do with a certain court case that was about to take place and "expert witness".


Has there been any radical rebreather designs in the last 20 years?

The only thing I think was a bit of a new idea was Gordon Smith selling a DIY kit of parts. Everything else has been polishing a turd over and over. The JJ just did commercially what homebuilders had done for years and apparently that passed as innovation.

I suppose the Pox was innovative. A rebreather made entirely from PDF's and used a list of dead divers as marketing. That was new.

If I read the article properly (I was in a hurry), this one looks like it might have surface supplied dil.

[notdeadyet]

If I read the article properly (I was in a hurry), this one looks like it might have surface supplied dil.

Again, not new. Some of the Russian IDA rebreathers were rigged with SS dil. Pics of early M15's show them rigged with umbilicals.

[Paul Evans]

I have given up on most of the re-breather forums, can someone point me in the right direction?

[jturner]

I have given up on most of the re-breather forums, can someone point me in the right direction?

It's hardly worth it but CCR Explorers is an example - https://www.ccrexplorers.com/community/

[Paulo]

You gotta love Bradlex and his Comical Ali type spin

[Paul Evans]

It's hardly worth it but CCR Explorers is an example - https://www.ccrexplorers.com/community/

you sent me to that site for that...................:shagger

I may well put you on my ignore list...................:giggle:

[ebt]

I usually go back and read the CCR forums about every 6 months. Each time it reminds me that they're now catering to the masses and have become so PC/Mainstream as to be pointless.

[notdeadyet]

I go on Burgerworld once in a while to see if there are any mk15 spares for sale. Don't read any other section. Too uptight. Dont read the other one, cant stand those fucking Thorntons.

[WFO]

It is a shame it turned in to a commercial groupwank for badge collecting and bullshit munching as it was pretty good reading when first started.

[Paul Evans]

I go on Burgerworld once in a while to see if there are any mk15 spares for sale. Don't read any other section. Too uptight. Dont read the other one, cant stand those fucking Thorntons.

is it still going...........

[notdeadyet]

is it still going...........

Burgerworld or my mk15? :)

[jamesp]

Burgerworld or my mk15? :)

That Mk15 is a cross between Triggers broom and a cockroach longevity wise.

[Paul Evans]

Burgerworld or my mk15? :)

their still copying the Mk15 so it would seem..........:y:

Burger world is..............

You get a better discussion these days on Scubaboard.

[Paulo]

Diving for Divers is where it is all happening these days

[notdeadyet]

Diving for Divers is where it is all happening these days

Have they banned you yet?

[Paulo]

Have they banned you yet?

No but I have not explicitely called KM at cuntard ... yet

[Paul Evans]

No but I have not explicitely called KM at cuntard ... yet

Who's KM?

Do tell :nerd:

[Paulo]

He of DfD (in)fame

[Paul Evans]

He of DfD (in)fame

Dildos flogging Dicks?

Look i,m Welsh, I need more to go on FFS...........:shagger

[gobfish1]

I know Its a old thread
But was looking back to 2020 and was thinking that the apox must have lost its clame on being the safest breather in the universe. As all other units are now getting used as much as the 13 apox units sold to date . Seems safety between one unit and a nother had balanced out . And the apox is was just a nother run of the mill idea that never made the grade . :think::D

[M-J-J]

I know Its a old thread
But was looking back to 2020 and was thinking that the apox must have lost its clame on being the safest breather in the universe. As all other units are now getting used as much as the 13 apox units sold to date . Seems safety between one unit and a nother had balanced out . And the apox is was just a nother run of the mill idea that never made the grade . :think::D

This is a post that keeps on giving if you are fortunate enough to be slow on the uptake … :D

[plazma]

I got the O2 version. It was well worth the money for parts. Stripped for DIY units.

[simon mitchell]

I got the O2 version. It was well worth the money for parts. Stripped for DIY units.

This made me chuckle and reminded me of a classic Deas quote from 2009:

"Clever divers order a working and fully tested life support system, designed by professional engineers with global resources, AND get trained to use it: the Apoc iCCR.

The dumb divers want to buy an O2-CCR then design and build at home their own life support system for the first time, with the resources of their local hardware store, take it to the sea without any review, dive in the water without any training, and become test pilots on their own creation because nobody else would be so crazy as to try it out".

See, you should have ordered the iCCR. The fact you would still be waiting for it 12 years later is a minor technical point.

Simon M

[gobfish1]

plazma
Yes I remember you posting on the burger world forum and the photos . How time fly's

Simon M. .
The red head just couldn't help him self
And seemed to always shoot his own foot off
Each time he posted a classic :giggle:

[Doomanic]

He'd have been better off with a Classic...

[WFO]

This made me chuckle and reminded me of a classic Deas quote from 2009:

"Clever divers order a working and fully tested life support system, designed by professional engineers with global resources, AND get trained to use it: the Apoc iCCR.

The dumb divers want to buy an O2-CCR then design and build at home their own life support system for the first time, with the resources of their local hardware store, take it to the sea without any review, dive in the water without any training, and become test pilots on their own creation because nobody else would be so crazy as to try it out".

See, you should have ordered the iCCR. The fact you would still be waiting for it 12 years later is a minor technical point.

Simon M

Funny we have a face ache group for custom built CCRs there are more of us on there "test piloting" units on some proper dives than there are poxes ever made.

Not sure where to do a course on the pox either, bet dave sutton is an instructor trainer though

[plazma]

Funny we have a face ache group for custom built CCRs there are more of us on there "test piloting" units on some proper dives than there are poxes ever made.

Not sure where to do a course on the pox either, bet dave sutton is an instructor trainer though

I'm also a member in that group. I suggested to a friend to buy a second hand O2 Apoc for cheap parts. I really like the BOV, improved P-connectors and O2 feed button. Albov is quite compact when you see it live. That's what I'm recycling for a FM unit.

I didn't like how the Apoc with BM lungs breathed in water. I also ordered two O2 tanks and both were faulty. http://plazma.kapsi.fi/pictures/temp/valve_clearance.JPG

IIRC I canceled my iCCR order in 2012 and took the O2 unit instead. By then it was already clear they will never finish the iCCR.

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[TheMacallan]

I didn't like how the Apoc with BM lungs breathed in water.

This seems at odds with all the OS hype. What did you not like?

[plazma]

This seems at odds with all the OS hype. What did you not like?There was already talk back then it required slightly heads up trim. Diving vertical causes higher negative pressure to diver lungs.
But that is also problem for other BM counter lungs units. It depends on how thick the counter lungs are. As seen in figure C in this document
http://diyrebreathers.com/data/uploads/documents/the-true-work-of-breathing-in-rebreathers-by-jack-kellon.pdf

After trying different units I especially like front mount units like Triton.

[TheMacallan]

Brilliantly succinct answer. I have never seen this before.
..and the date.

[WFO]

Theres not a right lot new in this game!
Good reason that mk15 et al BMCL units were intended for working divers not swimming ones

[WFO]

This seems at odds with all the OS hype. What did you not like?

It's almost like they might be lying ambulance chasing shysters isn't it?

[plazma]

It's almost like they might be lying ambulance chasing shysters isn't it?It's the way CE tests are defined. It only calculates the surface area inside the "Lissajous" curve. It doesn't calculate negative pressure to WOB. There are only limits for hydrostatic imbalance (+-20mbar from lung centroid). For human lungs it doesn't matter if the pressure comes from resistive flow restriction or hydrostatic imbalance.
For CE WOB calculation you get the same result for same curve shape even if its around the 0 x-axis or clearly below or above it.

[jamesp]

It's the way CE tests are defined. It only calculates the surface area inside the "Lissajous" curve. It doesn't calculate negative pressure to WOB. There are only limits for hydrostatic imbalance (+-20mbar from lung centroid). For human lungs it doesn't matter if the pressure comes from resistive flow restriction or hydrostatic imbalance.
For CE WOB calculation you get the same result for same curve shape even if its around the 0 x-axis or clearly below or above it.

Anyone else expecting a phd (piled higher and deeper) of pdf to dispute that statement?

[Nickpicks]

Anyone else expecting a phd (piled higher and deeper) of pdf to dispute that statement?

Has anyone said his name 5 times?

[gobfish1]

DP
Do move along

[gobfish1]

He with no name is no doubt working hard trying to save us all with his next dig idea.
That or him and Brad are hunkerd down at the Portuguese villa/HQ and enjoying a 2nd honeymoon.

[Chimp]

It's the way CE tests are defined. It only calculates the surface area inside the "Lissajous" curve. It doesn't calculate negative pressure to WOB. There are only limits for hydrostatic imbalance (+-20mbar from lung centroid). For human lungs it doesn't matter if the pressure comes from resistive flow restriction or hydrostatic imbalance.
For CE WOB calculation you get the same result for same curve shape even if its around the 0 x-axis or clearly below or above it.

Wasn't always this way. Prior to latest EN14143 (2013) the earlier version had max inhale/exhale pressures mandated at 25mbar. So the top and bottom of the Lissajous had to be between these levels (and so be centralised fairly close to the x-axis). Also had slightly greater limits for hydrostatic imbalance in certain orientations (+23/-25).

[plazma]

Wasn't always this way. Prior to latest EN14143 (2013) the earlier version had max inhale/exhale pressures mandated at 25mbar. So the top and bottom of the Lissajous had to be between these levels (and so be centralised fairly close to the x-axis). Also had slightly greater limits for hydrostatic imbalance in certain orientations (+23/-25).Here is the prEN14143:2010 version which is quite close to the latest official version:
http://diyrebreathers.com/data/uploads/documents/en-14143_pr2010.pdf

And the old 2003 version:
http://diyrebreathers.com/data/uploads/documents/en-14143_2003.pdf

Just in case someone wants to take a look. I also bought the 2013 version but can't share it publicly.

[Chimp]

And the old 2003 version:
http://diyrebreathers.com/data/uploads/documents/en-14143_2003.pdf


Nice.
5.6.1.3 & 5.6.1.4