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Jizz Monkey
17-01-2013, 11:43 PM
I need some marks checked for a few wrecks:

HMS Ardent (1913)
HMS Black Prince (1904)
HMS Defence (1907) 56 58′ 02″ x 05 49′ 50″
SMS Elbing
HMS Fortune (1913)
SMS Frauenlob
HMS Indefatigable (1909)
HMS Invincible (1907) 57 03 00″ x 06 04′ 45″
SMS Lützow
HMS Nestor (1915)
HMS Nomad
SMS Pommern
HMS Queen Mary
SMS Rostock
HMS Shark (1912) 56 58′ 30″ x 06 03′ 00″
HMS Sparrowhawk (1912)
HMS Tipperary (1915)
HMS Turbulent (1916)
SMS V48 56 54′ 22″ x 06 06′ 28″
HMS Warrior (1905) 57.38.993N 2.56.819E
SMS Wiesbaden 57 00′ 05″ x 05 53′ 37″

Thanks in advance...

Neil

chas49
17-01-2013, 11:53 PM
I need some marks checked for a few wrecks:

Thanks in advance...

Neil

Free access at http://wrecksite.eu/userEdit.aspx?0?0

Jizz Monkey
17-01-2013, 11:55 PM
Free access at Registrieren - WRACK WRECK WRAK EPAVE PECIO (http://wrecksite.eu/userEdit.aspx?0?0)

Free Access yes, but you need to be a member to get the co-ords...

chas49
18-01-2013, 07:18 AM
Free Access yes, but you need to be a member to get the co-ords...

Ah, I see. Hope someone can help then. (Bump :D)

BTS
18-01-2013, 07:22 AM
Why not join Neil, it isn't expensive and helps keep the place running...

Jizz Monkey
18-01-2013, 07:40 AM
Why not join Neil, it isn't expensive and helps keep the place running...

......... not sure IF i really want to if im being honest...

For 99% of my dives, i have absolutly no need for it, and the data it has for my neck of the woods, is not that great.

Plus, when i found out that they now have all the UKHO's wrecks database, and are now one of the select "custodians" of their database, it made me even more ummmm reluctant.... see below email recieved from the UKHO. The information i requested, used to be free... so i feel a bit begrudging to pay out now...

"Dear Neil,

Thank you for your enquiry.

With effect from 13 Dec we have been unable to provide a Wreck Information Service and users are advised to use alternative sources. In line with government policy, UKHO grants permission to 3rd parties to re-use the data contained in its Wrecks Database and therefore enquirers are requested to make use of one of a number of 3rd party web based services. Typing “UKHO wrecks” into a search engine will show alternative sources for wrecks information.
Sources Of Wrecks Information:

DEFRA - INSPIRE portal
Defra, UK - UK Location » INSPIRE (http://location.defra.gov.uk/inspire/)

SeaZone – HydroSpatial Content
SeaZone Solutions - Marine Geographic Information Solutions from Instrument to Desktop (http://www.seazone.com/hydrospatial.php)

WRACK WRECK WRAK EPAVE PECIO (http://www.Wrecksite.Eu)

Global Maritime Wrecks Database
Global Change Master Directory (GCMD) (http://gcmd.nasa.gov) Search for 'Wrecks'

Historic Scotland - Looking after our heritage - Historic Marine Protected Areas (http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/wrecksites)


I hope you find this information of use but please do not hesitate to contact us again should you require further assistance at any time.

Kind regards


(removed for privacy)
On behalf of
Customer Services Second Line Support
United Kingdom Hydrographic Office


Email: Customerservices@ukho.gov.uk
Tel: +44 (0)1823 723366
Admiralty (http://www.Admiralty.co.uk) "

Decosnapper
18-01-2013, 08:24 AM
.... In line with government policy, UKHO grants permission to 3rd parties to re-use the data

I'm not sure grants permission is telling the whole story...perhaps grants permission once the license fee has been paid is closer to the truth?

It strikes me that this government is being particularly aggressive when it comes to protecting their own intellectual property, and equally aggressive at weakening the rights of the likes of you and me so third parties can make money from someone else's property.

All in the name of 'growth'.

Because 'We are all in it together'.

Apparently.

Dave Lev
18-01-2013, 08:51 AM
This reminds me of the Open Street Map project. Ordnance Survey data (paid for by the UK taxpayer) is expensive to get hold of. So individuals (many hundreds? including me) uploaded their GPS tracks to a webserver and made their own map. Quite a mature project now, it has most of the planet mapped and the data is used by many other applications, including GPS and SatNav apps.
OpenStreetMap (http://www.openstreetmap.org/)

Isn't there a website somewhere where individuals can contribute GPS data for dive sites where it is all then available on an open licence..?

(My guess is that there already is... but I've never had the need to seek it out.)

jb2cool
18-01-2013, 10:16 AM
Why not join Neil, it isn't expensive and helps keep the place running...
Yep, server hosting isn't free either even IF they were getting the info free of charge.

Soggy
18-01-2013, 11:09 AM
Last time i renewed my membership it was something like £25 for a year. £2 a month for all that data isn't breaking the bank. I use it regulalry for all sorts of info on my local area.

DesperateDan
18-01-2013, 11:25 AM
Its well worth the money.

Gary
20-01-2013, 12:10 PM
Last time i renewed my membership it was something like £25 for a year. £2 a month for all that data isn't breaking the bank. I use it regulalry for all sorts of info on my local area.

ditto

Janos
20-01-2013, 12:17 PM
Last time i renewed my membership it was something like £25 for a year. £2 a month for all that data isn't breaking the bank. I use it regulalry for all sorts of info on my local area.

Ditto. There are good guys and bad guys in the world. Some companies who you'd have to chisel the money out of my cold dead hands before I'd give them a penny. (I'm talking about you O2 broadband) and there are others where I'm pleased that it exists and happy to support it.

Wrecksite.eu is definitely in the latter category.

Janos

DiverMike
20-01-2013, 12:17 PM
I'd have looked a couple up, but that quite a long list. It's cheaper than a fill of mix or a day on the boat to join.

CantNavigate
05-08-2014, 12:39 AM
This sickens the hell out of me. Tax payers fund the survey work, and then It belongs to who? Not the tax payer? Get the info back from the toffs and spread it about.. same with the tidal constants.

Timw
05-08-2014, 07:07 AM
This sickens the hell out of me. Tax payers fund the survey work, and then It belongs to who? Not the tax payer? Get the info back from the toffs and spread it about.. same with the tidal constants.

The majority of the work on Wrecksite was done by individuals - there's effectively a link to the hydro report. A lot of the hydro marks are inaccurate and don't identify the wrecks except where people have provided the info. Wrecksite is a great resource but will go the way of SWM if not supported.

DiverMike
05-08-2014, 07:29 AM
This sickens the hell out of me. Tax payers fund the survey work, and then It belongs to who? Not the tax payer? Get the info back from the toffs and spread it about.. same with the tidal constants.

That reminds me I've got to update the details on the mark labeled Antwerpen (it's a trawler turned turtle) and add a video to one of the unknowns.

I'm even thinking of splashing out on a subscription to the newspaper archive so I can find out more about some of the wrecks I dive from comtempory news.

Baron015
05-08-2014, 08:39 AM
I need some marks checked for a few wrecks:

HMS Ardent (1913)
HMS Black Prince (1904)
HMS Defence (1907)56 58′ 02″ x 05 49′ 50″
SMS Elbing
HMS Fortune (1913)
SMS Frauenlob
HMS Indefatigable (1909)
HMS Invincible (1907)57 03 00″ x 06 04′ 45″
SMS Lützow
HMS Nestor (1915)
HMS Nomad
SMS Pommern
HMS Queen Mary
SMS Rostock
HMS Shark (1912)56 58′ 30″ x 06 03′ 00″
HMS Sparrowhawk (1912)
HMS Tipperary (1915)
HMS Turbulent (1916)
SMS V4856 54′ 22″ x 06 06′ 28″
HMS Warrior (1905)57.38.993N 2.56.819E
SMS Wiesbaden57 00′ 05″ x 05 53′ 37″

Thanks in advance...

Neil

Isn't what you are asking for in effect theft ? Also conspiracy to commit a crime ?




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The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool.

Cheeky Monkey
05-08-2014, 10:27 AM
Isn't what you are asking for in effect theft ? Also conspiracy to commit a crime ?


Asking a friend who subscribes to something to use their paid subscription and share the info with you is theft now ?

[EDIT - only just noticed how old this thread is !! ]

Timw
05-08-2014, 11:42 AM
Old thread but still relevant.

Wrecksite is a great resource that puts all the information in one place. Without something like this we'd go back to the good old days when only the skippers knew where the wrecks were and the histories of the ships were only known by the few that put the effort in to research them. It's even more useful since they got the licence to use the UKHO reports.
It's even more useful if you want to dive anything other that the usual "tick in the box" tourist wrecks...

gpj
05-08-2014, 11:54 AM
This sickens the hell out of me. Tax payers fund the survey work, and then It belongs to who? Not the tax payer? Get the info back from the toffs and spread it about.. same with the tidal constants.

99.9% of tax payers won't use this information and would more than likely be peeved that "their" money is being used to fund this. Charge the ones who want the info and the money goes back into the coffers. . . . .

my 2p

dwhitlow
05-08-2014, 12:46 PM
This sickens the hell out of me.

Then you need to do a reality check and examine the facts and then relax


Tax payers fund the survey work, and then It belongs to who? Not the tax payer? Get the info back from the toffs and spread it about.. same with the tidal constants.
The tax payer may have funded the original works but it costs money to gather and publish the information.

PeterL
05-08-2014, 01:58 PM
This sickens the hell out of me. Tax payers fund the survey work, and then It belongs to who? Not the tax payer? Get the info back from the toffs and spread it about.. same with the tidal constants.

Me thinks Mr Can't needs to park his keyboard when Bacchus the God of Wine has been speaking loudly.

CantNavigate
05-08-2014, 04:16 PM
Then you need to do a reality check and examine the facts and then relax

The tax payer may have funded the original works but it costs money to gather and publish the information.

Nope I stand by the sentiment, a public body judged that the work was worthwhile carrying out, once the information has been collected there is no cost to distribution, "here pull a few lines of text off my website".Where's the cost? Probably could make money in advertising.

My problem is with the ownership of the information. Same thing happened with the tidal constants data. FYI USA, France etc all have released the equivalent data to the public domain. Which is where this belongs.


Me thinks Mr Can't needs to park his keyboard when Bacchus the God of Wine has been speaking loudly.

And no wine, maybe a little insomnia. :yawn: Now when I drink whisky, then I rant.

Paulo
05-08-2014, 04:55 PM
Nope I stand by the sentiment.

Thats the Northern Attitude for ya. Resilient in the face of adversity :D

ebt
05-08-2014, 05:12 PM
I've got to say that since the data has been collected at tax payer expense, i see no reason why it shouldnt be made available both for joe average (free of charge basic service) and via license to commercial entities where its used for gain (they can enhance the presentation/tie it up into a complete service).

Wrecksite is a nice example of a good use of the data and its enhanced by additional content, for a very reasonable fee.

PeterL
05-08-2014, 06:03 PM
Now when I drink whisky, then I rant.

That I very much don't doubt................... :)